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Post by Mobley 0x on May 4, 2012 20:33:54 GMT -5
LOTS OF MUSTANG'S HAD 31 SPLINE SHAFTS... WHERE YA WANNA START ? BUT FACTORY 8.8 INCH EQUIPED MUSTANG'S ? HAVE YOU SEEN UM ? AND I DONT NEED TO PROVE NOTHING TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.. WHY WOULD I REVEAL WHAT IAM DOING ON THE CHEAP THAT WORKS ? SO EVERYBODY COULD RUN RIGHT OUT TO EVERY SCRAP YARD THIS SIDE OF THE MISSISSIPPI AND DRIVE THE PRICE THROUGH THE ROOF ? IAM NOT AS FOOLISH AS YOU MAY THINK ... DO YOU KNOW YOUR DIFFERIENTIAL'S ? I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.. BUT WHY WOULD ANYONE GET ON HERE AND TOOT THEIR WHISTLE ONLY TO MAKE IT HARDER ON THEMSELVES ?  Ok. Really. You're done. Shut up. Tom |
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Post by 61j on May 4, 2012 22:44:23 GMT -5
I would rather spend the money for good reliable axle that has proven itself over the years instead of some hear say from a guy who says he has all the answers. If you say it's a cheap alterative to Moser and it could benefit the rest of the derby world why not help instead of trying to get Dave to guess what you have from a picture.
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Post by David Bryan on May 5, 2012 0:29:58 GMT -5
Hello. Really? You post a picture or two of some "unknown" axle shaft, you describe what you are doing to prep this axle shaft, and yet you now post that you do not want to reveal what you are doing? Really? Seems to me you just tooted.
Deceive? Now, from your posts, some one may conclude that there were NO 31 spline (8.8") axle shafts in Mustangs. Is this what you mean? Really? You are writing that there were NEVER any factory 8.8", 31 spline, axle shafts in Mustangs? This would mean then, that there were NEVER any factory 31 spline traction- loc carriers in Mustangs either? Really?
Deceive? Although entertaining at times, I am not sure you are much help to this thread. You do help with the view count though.
Oh, and there are plenty of salvage yards WEST of the Mississippi. David Bryan
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Post by yousoldout on May 5, 2012 6:11:06 GMT -5
LOTS OF MUSTANG'S HAD 31 SPLINE SHAFTS... WHERE YA WANNA START ? BUT FACTORY 8.8 INCH EQUIPED MUSTANG'S ? HAVE YOU SEEN UM ? AND I DONT NEED TO PROVE NOTHING TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.. WHY WOULD I REVEAL WHAT IAM DOING ON THE CHEAP THAT WORKS ? SO EVERYBODY COULD RUN RIGHT OUT TO EVERY SCRAP YARD THIS SIDE OF THE MISSISSIPPI AND DRIVE THE PRICE THROUGH THE ROOF ? IAM NOT AS FOOLISH AS YOU MAY THINK ... DO YOU KNOW YOUR DIFFERIENTIAL'S ? I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.. BUT WHY WOULD ANYONE GET ON HERE AND TOOT THEIR WHISTLE ONLY TO MAKE IT HARDER ON THEMSELVES ? shhh...u can get the small drum big axle 8 lugs for about $50 dont tell anyone |
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Post by David Bryan on May 5, 2012 9:13:02 GMT -5
Oh, so they DO make them (31 spline 8.8"), I thought so. You are the Ford nut with the books that tell you things. Let us know. For starters, let me write 05' GT? I will wait. We will wait
I simply wrote that some Mustangs (8.8" ring gear) also came with 31 spline. You then seem to insist that they do not exist? It seems you are on the same path you took when you insisted that a 74' Lincoln did not have 31 spline axle shafts? Well let me do this, since it does not matter anyway.
DO NOT look for 31 spline "C" clip axles under 03' and newer Mustangs, you will NOT find any!
Builders who want to build "better" derby assemblies will not be looking for "C" clip axles shafts. 28, 31, 33, or 35 spline. It simply does not matter. It is great you did what you say you did with the 35 spline "truck" axle shafts. There have been MANY done the same way with the GM 33 spline, big hub GM. IF you think that is the way to go, go for it. But please, do not play games. Most builders will NOT even try this. No time, let alone the money. It seems you want to argue, just to argue. I quess that is fine, keep up the view count. But be carefull, you give away all your secrets, soon, you will have not much to write about. David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on May 5, 2012 9:32:46 GMT -5
Hello. 11teenmeyer, the wheel bearings could be the same, they could be different. Over the years, Ford had several wheel bearings, for their many axle shafts. The 3.150" O.D. was very common over the years, however, the I.D. varied. If the O.D. of the axle shafts are close to the same, simply try it in the housing and see if it will fit? The 28 spline axle shaft will slide right in a 31 spline carrier.
The O.D. of Ford, bolt in axle, axle shafts, could be;
1.377"
1.531"
1.562"
and others. For derby, big is usually better.
Also, some wheel bearings were a sealed "ball" bearing (not so good in derby), and others were "taper roller" bearing (much better in derby). On side impact, in derby, a ball bearing will crack the race more times than a taper roller bearing will crack the race. A taper roller bearing can run for some time with a cracked race. A ball bearing will fail much sooner with a cracked or broken race. So, a taper roller bearing will not only take a side impact shot better, it will also run longer, when cracked, than a ball bearing. I hope that helps. David Bryan
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Post by 11teenmeyer on May 5, 2012 11:07:12 GMT -5
thanks david and yes that info helped out alot ive got both taper rollers and sealed but going to have to get new bearings anyway so looks like im going to go with the taper roller then thanks agian
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Post by auctioneerhere on May 5, 2012 14:16:16 GMT -5
David I have a question...
I have your spool, that I bought several years ago. {yet to use it}
What aftermarket axle combination would you recommend for a BIA GM rear end.
Looking to build one to go under the Impala's & newer crown vics.
Thanks!
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Post by David Bryan on May 5, 2012 20:41:34 GMT -5
uh oh, there you go again, you wrote the a word. Again, I am not that kind of guy. YOU sure are all about the rear though, with the poop and wad and what ever else.
You are good for the view count though.
I will write this; you are correct, I am wrong.
(even though one can find 31 spline "C" clip axles under Mustangs). sshhh, and it still does not matter.
And any more name calling and the teacher will keep you in for recess.
David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on May 5, 2012 20:47:06 GMT -5
Hello. Auctioneerhere, I would recommend Moser Hobby Stock axle shafts with my bronze bushings. Either 31 or 33 spline in the GM bolt in housing. Since you have my 31 spline spool you could use that, however, for an upgrade to 33 spline, I would trade you out for a Moser 33 spline spool? The only draw back is, then you would not be able to use a factory 31 spline bolt in axle shaft as a spare. David Bryan
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Post by auctioneerhere on May 5, 2012 21:02:24 GMT -5
Hello. Auctioneerhere, I would recommend Moser Hobby Stock axle shafts with my bronze bushings. Either 31 or 33 spline in the GM bolt in housing. Since you have my 31 spline spool you could use that, however, for an upgrade to 33 spline, I would trade you out for a Moser 33 spline spool? The only draw back is, then you would not be able to use a factory 31 spline bolt in axle shaft as a spare. David Bryan Thanks! I think I will just work with what I have for now. I have extra axles if needed. |
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Post by fordshakesthis1 on May 6, 2012 5:23:51 GMT -5
(even though one can find 31 spline "C" clip axles under Mustangs). sshhh, and it still does not matter. ONLY UNDER 05 AND NEWER FOR AROUND A GRAND. . I will write this; you are correct, I am wrong.   POINT PROVEN , GOOD DAY MR. BRYAN !!!! |
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Post by David Bryan on May 6, 2012 7:57:33 GMT -5
I warned you about the teacher.
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Post by mkvien on May 7, 2012 15:41:15 GMT -5
Since this is one of the most informative thread we've seen on either wecrash or wesmash in a while, and cats are being let out of the bag by the dozens, what can you tell me about the brass bushing theory? Do they press onto the axle and then spin in the housing end? How long do they last? Do you usually make them for stock housing ends, or to go with the 45mm Moser ends? I spent the money on 31-spline Hobby Stocks for a 9-3/8" Lincoln housing, used a 9" Strange center section and full spool. Didn't get nearly my $650 out of the axles (with bearings, studs, housing ends) that I paid for them before I broke one off at the splines. Trying to decide what to do next, I am in too deep to give it up now, but don't really want to buy another 31-spline axle since the first one broke way too easily.
Thanks Dave, you are a wealth of info.
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Post by drivingbigtoys on May 7, 2012 23:21:32 GMT -5
Since this is one of the most informative thread we've seen on either wecrash or wesmash in a while, and cats are being let out of the bag by the dozens, what can you tell me about the brass bushing theory? Do they press onto the axle and then spin in the housing end? How long do they last? Do you usually make them for stock housing ends, or to go with the 45mm Moser ends? I spent the money on 31-spline Hobby Stocks for a 9-3/8" Lincoln housing, used a 9" Strange center section and full spool. Didn't get nearly my $650 out of the axles (with bearings, studs, housing ends) that I paid for them before I broke one off at the splines. Trying to decide what to do next, I am in too deep to give it up now, but don't really want to buy another 31-spline axle since the first one broke way too easily. Thanks Dave, you are a wealth of info. Dave will inform you of the facts but I think I could help a little ....you can get the brass bushings to fit the big bearing ends which I think are what is on the lincoln housing...you best bet would be to go with 35 spline axles. |
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POINT PROVEN , GOOD DAY MR. BRYAN !!!!