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Post by Collier7 on Apr 12, 2012 9:53:39 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong Dave but an actual hobbystock axle shaft differs from a normal Moser custom alloy in the following ways:
heat treated differently
has a thicker flange
a larger radius from the flange to the shaft part of the axle
Just because you can put a 45mm hobby stock bearing on a custom alloy axle and slide it into a 45mm housing end does not make it a hobby stock axle. It's still just a custom alloy axle.
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Post by cycomiko on Apr 12, 2012 10:54:33 GMT -5
Hello. Mopar 8 3/4"; A very good drop-out style third member. These have 30 spline axle shafts. Good gears, bad shafts (only because they are 30 spline. They are good at the wheel bearing and hub). You can put in up to a 35 spline full spool in the 8 3/4". In my opinion, if you run the stock axle shafts, do NOT weld side gears solid. Try and run a factory "sure grip". This will help save splines on side impact while spinnig. Weld solid, and you will break splines more often than not. The Mopar 8 3/4" housing is very weak, and does need a lot of brace work. Dana 60; Great gears, bad shafts. IF you find one under a passenger car, DO NOT derby it. Sell it for enough bucks to buy a derby assembly. Yes, they are valuable. And no, you will not find one. Sorry. Dana 60 use 30 spline axle shafts. This is in the Hemi 'Cuda, as well as most all 3/4 ton pickups. Yes, the 3/4 ton pickup, full floater, (both Ford and Dodge) assemblies use 30 spline axle shafts. The SAME diameter as the 8 3/4". So, a Dana 60 full floater, is NOT the best choice for an "outlaw" type car. ONLY 30 spline shafts! For "outlaw" use the GM 14 bolt assembly. The 3/4 ton truck housing is very strong, needing little brace work. A Dana 60 will accept up to 40 spline axle shafts. One of the best assemblies is a Dana 60 housing with after-market housing ends welded on the tubes (yes, remove the floater style hubs). Then use the 35 spline Moser Hobby stock axle shafts, with a 35 spline Dana full spool. Yes, you can go 40 spline. However, a 40 spline hub is weaker than a Moser Hobby stock 35 spline hub. IF only Moser made a Hobby Stock shaft with 40 spline. All for now. David Bryan I was looking for a dana 60, or 14 bolt gm for old iron and new fords(leaf conversions). I'm leaning towards a 14 bolt after reading this. Could you elaborate? What years, and what style to look for? 1 ton or 3/4 ton etc? Great thread. Thanks Can I get some more info on 14 bolt Gm full floaters. Thanks |
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Post by Mobley 0x on Apr 12, 2012 12:08:03 GMT -5
YOU CALL IT THE WAY YOU SEE IT.... YOU CAN PICK FLYSHIT OUTTA PEPPER ALL DAY .. YOU CAN ASK MOSER FOR A 40 SPLINE HOBBYSTOCK AXLE ... AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY DONT MAKE ONE.... AND THEN THEY WILL TELL YOU IN THE SAME BREATH YOU CAN USE HOBBYSTOCK BEARINGS , HOUSING ENDS ETC... AND IT WILL FIT/WORK ... I UNDERSTAND YOU WANNA BE ANAL .. AND THATS FINE.. SOME PEOPLE NEED THAT TO BE CLEAR WHAT THEY ARE DOING... THATS WHERE YOU COME IN... YOU BE ANAL , AND ILL TELL YOU WHAT WORKS...AND WHAT WORKS IS ALL I GIVE 2 SH!TS ABOUT.BUT IF YOU THINK THAT 1/16 OF AN INCH MAKES YOUR AXLE STRONGER OR BETTER THAN A 40 SPLINE... THEN YOU BUY 35 , I'LL BUY WHAT WORKS FOR ME. DEAL ?.. IAM NOT ARGUING THAT YOUR TERMINOLOGY ISN'T CORRECT... BUT YOUR ACTING LIKE THIS SET-UP WONT/CANT/DOESNT FIT WORK OR WHATEVER ELSE... AND IAM TELLING YOU IT DOES WORK AND FIT WITH EASE... IS IT BETTER ? IMO IT IS , IF YOUR OPINION DIFFERS YOU ARE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO IT.. WHILE YOU HERE , EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SECTOR SHAFT AND A SELECTOR SHAFT ..  YOU SEEM VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ... I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD HELP CRUSHER OUT ;D You really cannot fathom the knowledge that man holds. Go ahead though, keep poking the bear, you'll continue to look a fool. Tom |
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 12, 2012 14:05:40 GMT -5
Hello. I will call it correctly, not how I see it. You used the "A" word. Words matter. Sorry, I am not that type of guy, not even close. You will need to look on another thread for "those" types.
Do not worry Tom, I will not get drug down to the gutter, he will win every time with his experience there.
I know these types of people, they, at times, do not know when to quit. So be it. I will still be here to answer questions and provide correct information.
In a way, I guess I could write that I first made a "Hobby Stock" housing (deep bore housing ends, Timken 45mm bearings) back in the mid-90's. This was long before Moser. HA!. Thank you guys! David Bryan
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Post by critter4 on Apr 12, 2012 14:17:57 GMT -5
So Since this is the "Rear axle Q & A" why hasn't any one answered cycomiko's mutliple attempts for 14 bolt info?? Because if this thread is gonna work worth a SH!T. You guys are gonna have to put your D!CKS away and end the pissing contest. JMO
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Post by scottgropp on Apr 12, 2012 14:40:45 GMT -5
Welcome to the world of helping people, David.
In the derby world, if you tell someone 2.61 plus 2.61 equals 5.22, they argue that it is 5. Close enough. Good enough. Accurate info? Who needs it.
I'd like to do business with these folks. Hey, I have an engine for $3750. Just give me $4000 and that is close enough.
Some things never change.
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 12, 2012 18:44:15 GMT -5
PEOPLE ARGUE OVER WHETHER THEIR WELDS ARE 1/16THS TOO WIDE, OR THEY USED DOOR STRAP MATERIAL THAT IS TOO WIDE. IF THEY MADE A HOBBY STOCK AXLE WITH 40 SPLINES, DAVID WOULD SELL IT. THEY DONT....... AND YES, THAT SIXTEENTH OF AN INCH WILL MATTER WHEN GETTING POUNDED ON THE SIDE BY LOADED BUMPERS.... FOR TRUTH.... KEEP IT UP...... |
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Post by derbyguyf16 on Apr 12, 2012 18:44:48 GMT -5
Can I get some more info on 14 bolt Gm full floaters. Thanks[/quote]
What type of info are you looking for?
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Post by Mobley 0x on Apr 12, 2012 19:28:59 GMT -5
THAT 1/16TH WONT / DOESN'T MATTER WHEN THEIR MODIFIED WITH 5/8 FLANGES People like you are the reason women and children get beat when men go home at night. Tom |
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 12, 2012 21:44:37 GMT -5
THAT 1/16TH WONT / DOESN'T MATTER WHEN THEIR MODIFIED WITH 5/8 FLANGES SO, TELL US.. ARE YOU WELDING ON MORE MATERIAL, THEN MACHINING IT DOWN TO 5/8 TH`S THICKNESS? THEN I AM SURE YOU HAVE A MCWILLIAMS HEAT TREATING OVEN TO RETREAT THE NEWLY WELDED SURFACES... WHAT SPEC WIRE ARE YOU WELDING TO THEM? ......LOL... PLEASE. LET DAVE POST CORRECT INFORMATION, WHILE YOU PLAY WITH HOT WHEELS AND MAKE VROOM-VROOM NOISES AND WATCH DERBY TAPES ON YOUR BETAMAX........ |
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Post by 50w on Apr 12, 2012 22:06:11 GMT -5
Dave.....
If you could do anything to any rear end of your choice, what would you build and what would you put in it?
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Post by rrone on Apr 13, 2012 9:01:12 GMT -5
Does moser make a spool/axle package for a dana70?
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 13, 2012 10:14:50 GMT -5
SO, TELL US.. ARE YOU WELDING ON MORE MATERIAL, THEN MACHINING IT DOWN TO 5/8 TH`S THICKNESS? THEN I AM SURE YOU HAVE A MCWILLIAMS HEAT TREATING OVEN TO RETREAT THE NEWLY WELDED SURFACES... WHAT SPEC WIRE ARE YOU WELDING TO THEM? ......LOL... PLEASE. LET DAVE POST CORRECT INFORMATION, WHILE YOU PLAY WITH HOT WHEELS AND MAKE VROOM-VROOM NOISES AND WATCH DERBY TAPES ON YOUR BETAMAX........ I BET WHEN YOU MAKE SNIDE , NARROW MINDED COMMENTS , BELIEVING YOUR WAY IS THE ONLY WAY , I BET IT MAKES YOU GROW 1/16 ON AN INCH AT A TIME. IF YOU SQUEZE UR BUTT CHEEK'S REAL HARD ,YOU'LL GET THE SAME RESULT. I GOT A NEWS FLASH FOR YA CRUSHER... METAL LATHES , AND BATCH FURNACES ARE MANUFACTURED EVERYDAY , AND ARE SOLD TO WHOMEVER HAS THE CASH TO PURCHASE ONE. IF YOU ONLY KNEW...........EVERYTHING ! LET DAVID TELL US WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT DIFFERENTIALS, AXLES AND THE LIKE, THEN WE CAN HEAR YOUR FAIRYTALES OF OWNING A BATCH FURNACE......LOL |
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Post by cycomiko on Apr 13, 2012 11:02:21 GMT -5
Can I get some more info on 14 bolt Gm full floaters. Thanks What type of info are you looking for?[/quote] Any info I can get. I guess the 410's and 456's have different carriers. Is one better. Is there any year's that are better. Some you can run 15's on, some you need to grind to run 15's. Any info would be appreciated. I don't know much about them. |
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Post by toby on Apr 13, 2012 14:33:57 GMT -5
long time reader here, not much for posting but I try to remember what someone like daves says when he posts.
And if i recall once upon a time he posted he prefered cab and chassis 14 bolt axles, due to the width and gear ratios that came in them typically. I dont believe either carrier was discussed but most liked the deeper gear just because of the ratio neither were an issue of strength. Brakes also were typically always swapped to others. I cant remember that part as well but there is a lot of cheap disk options and possible pinioin break options out there.
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YOU SEEM VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ... I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD HELP CRUSHER OUT ;D
