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Post by 61j on Apr 28, 2012 9:11:41 GMT -5
No $hit on the full floater reading this stuff is like listening to sports talk radio leading up to the nfl draft....we get it you know something...just draft the best darn player and be done with it[/quote] Wouldn't know what sports talk radio is, sounds like something you listen to then go argue bout who's thingy is bigger. Simple question asked, to find out if you can do something another way, followed by comical remark, then followed by an a$$ hat who wants to dog on someone for asking. Maybe you and fordshakesthis1 should go get the fabric tape out and start measuring!  |
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Post by yousoldout on Apr 28, 2012 9:43:50 GMT -5
calm down spanky darn not everythings about you it was a general thought
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Post by 61j on Apr 28, 2012 10:20:13 GMT -5
Ok thought it was aimed at me.
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Post by pourdown437 on Apr 28, 2012 20:24:47 GMT -5
Fordshakesthis1....it doesnt matter what ford motor company says your still wrong...just wait crusher and hello david will tell you soon 😁
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 29, 2012 0:10:31 GMT -5
Don't get me involved in you 2's love spat... I am still not convinced a 74 lincoln has 31 spline axles from the factory , and I don't care how many the two of you (crusher/bryan) have seen , taken apart , heard of or whatever else you claim... Here's my proof www.fordification.com/tech/rearends_ford08.htmAgain , no 31's in a 74 lincoln , prove me wrong... or disk brake 9 inch's... not factory anyway. @ bryan , ya might wanna double check ya facts about that 9 3/8 rear also.. MINE'S LONGER ;D ;D ;D  OKAY, SO YOU BELIEVE A WEBSITE, AND NOT 2 REPUTABLE SOURCES THAT HAVE SEEN MANY OF THEM IN PERSON.. CANY HELP YOU THERE, I JUST KNOW WHAT I SAW WHEN WE CUT THEM OUT AND SOLD THE CENTERS...... YOUR " FINAL ANSWER" WEBSITE MEANS ABOUT AS MUCH TO ME AS THE WORD THAT CAME DOWN FROM CHRYSLER HISTORIANS IN THE LATE 80`S IN REGARDS TO HEMI POWERED CARS BUILT IN THE LATE `60`S, CHRYSLER SAID THEY NEVER BUILT ANY 4 DOOR HEMI CARS, YET 3 HAVE SURFACED WITH PROPER BUILD SHEETS AS WELL AS A 4 SPEED HEMI STATION WAGON WITH PAPERWORK.. GEE, MAYBE YOUR WEBSITE MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS IF THEY HAVE DEPENDED ON THE FORD FACTORY FOR CORRECT INFO. I HAVE TALKED WITH MANY LINE WORKERS FROM ALL CAR DIVISIONS OVER THE YEARS. THEY ALL SAID " IF THE BUILD SHEET CALLED FOR "PART NUMBER 123" AND WE WERE OUT OF IT, WE INSTALLED A "PART NUMBER 321", "NO ONE EVER KNEW WE SWAPPED OUT THINGS"... I HAVE OWNED FACTORY CODED BIG BLOCK SEDANS AND WAGONS THAT MYSTERIOUSLY CAME WITH SMALLBLOCKS UNDER THE HOOD.... WHY? PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST "LOT FILLER" CARS, NOT DEALER ORDERS. WHO KNOWS, GUYS USED TO SMOKE POT IN DETROIT ON THE LINE, MAYBE THATS THE ANSWER....MAYBE THEY STILL DO..... I KNOW WHAT I SAW...31 SPLINES.... |
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Post by 61j on Apr 29, 2012 7:06:10 GMT -5
Along with your website that said Ford made a 42 spline axle in a 1977 bronco with a 3300lbs axle now that it something to have a adult conversation about not this stock 74 Lincoln 28 or 31 spline BS. If Dave has seen one, crusher has seen one and this other guy has maybe it's not a dream it really happened. I haven't heard our seen a Dana 60 under a 69 Chevy pickup till bout a month ago so was that too a dream?
GLAD TO HEAR YOUR IS LONGER SO NOW CAN WE HAVE SOME ADULT INTELLECT! PLEASE
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Post by 61j on Apr 29, 2012 9:40:40 GMT -5
I was referencing to this entire argument bout one rearend and the spline count. They both good hand in hand that they are doing nobody any good if you took it literally guess you have something to prove to yourself!
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 29, 2012 11:25:15 GMT -5
Hello. I am to the point where I am a little lost. Clear questions, will help.
About the 14 bolt "C" clip assemblies; You want me to guess how long the axle shafts will last for you? That answer is easy. I do not know. You want me to guess if the assembly you have is a limited slip differential? That answer is easy. I do not know.
The 14 bolt "C" clip, with eight wheel studs is a big flange. It is stonger than a five bolt "C" clip, no doubt on that. How strong though? I do not think any one would know that. Do they break? yes, I have seen them snap off right at the hub. This is a lot like the Ford pickup axle shafts with five lug. At times, they will take a hit. Sooner or later though, they snap off at the hub. The Chevy pickup, five lug, twelve bolt "C" clip, axle shafts were similar.
Would I sell a 14 bolt "C" clip for derby use? No way, ever. Would I personanly use one? no way. I would not go to the trouble. In the end, what do you have? In my opinion, a LOT of wasted time. There are better assemblies out there. But hey, if that is what you have, AND have a LOT of time and energy, go for it. Just do not be disapointed in the end.
And one last note; Metal Mayhem may be the last place you would NEED a great rear assembly. What I mean by that is, the Mayhem class is not that hard hitting of a show. When the first 4 to 8 minutes are over, there are not hard enough hits to break many axle shafts. Nap time. Just my opinion. David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 29, 2012 11:36:02 GMT -5
Hello. AND.......
And, ok, fordshake this one, you are right, you are right, NO 31 spline alxe shafts in a Lincoln, in 74'. NONE!
AND so every person knows, TO BE VERY CLEAR, IF you want to find a Ford, 31 spline, axle shaft, DO NOT look under a 74' Lincoln, you will NOT find one! Pass it by.
Case closed, for now. David Bryan
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Post by snitily19 on Apr 29, 2012 14:56:33 GMT -5
What year c-clip 14 bolts are you talking about (not sure if they made them more than just 88-2000?), and you seen one snap off at the hub in a demo or on the road? And how are they like a 12 bolt c-clip axle shaft? From what I have seen they are nothing alike, unless you area talking about how they break in which case I cannot comment. I have a 14 bolt c-clip 6 lug 33 spline axle in my garage and from all looks it appears as it would be one heck of an axle and a cheap alternative to building a 33 spline moser rear end.
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 29, 2012 15:54:46 GMT -5
I AM GOING TO SIDE WITH DAVID ON THIS ONE. IM DONE TRYING TO PERSUADE A SINGLE PERSON OF WHAT I SAW WHEN WE PULLED REAR END AFTER REAR END FROM LINCOLNS, AND ON ALOT OF THEM, MERELY CUT THE TUBES OFF CLOSE TO THE CENTER WITH A TORCH AND SOLD THEM THAT WAY... 31 SPLINES, YES, MANY, MANY , MANY OF THEM, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW, I WAS JUST THERE AND LIVED IT. MAYBE IT WAS ALL A DREAM.....
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Post by n8 on Apr 29, 2012 16:38:03 GMT -5
Hello. I am to the point where I am a little lost. Clear questions, will help. About the 14 bolt "C" clip assemblies; You want me to guess how long the axle shafts will last for you? That answer is easy. I do not know. You want me to guess if the assembly you have is a limited slip differential? That answer is easy. I do not know. The 14 bolt "C" clip, with eight wheel studs is a big flange. It is stonger than a five bolt "C" clip, no doubt on that. How strong though? I do not think any one would know that. Do they break? yes, I have seen them snap off right at the hub. This is a lot like the Ford pickup axle shafts with five lug. At times, they will take a hit. Sooner or later though, they snap off at the hub. The Chevy pickup, five lug, twelve bolt "C" clip, axle shafts were similar. Would I sell a 14 bolt "C" clip for derby use? No way, ever. Would I personanly use one? no way. I would not go to the trouble. In the end, what do you have? In my opinion, a LOT of wasted time. There are better assemblies out there. But hey, if that is what you have, AND have a LOT of time and energy, go for it. Just do not be disapointed in the end. And one last note; Metal Mayhem may be the last place you would NEED a great rear assembly. What I mean by that is, the Mayhem class is not that hard hitting of a show. When the first 4 to 8 minutes are over, there are not hard enough hits to break many axle shafts. Nap time. Just my opinion. David Bryan Thanks for your opinion. |
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Post by n8 on Apr 29, 2012 16:40:28 GMT -5
What year c-clip 14 bolts are you talking about (not sure if they made them more than just 88-2000?), and you seen one snap off at the hub in a demo or on the road? And how are they like a 12 bolt c-clip axle shaft? From what I have seen they are nothing alike, unless you area talking about how they break in which case I cannot comment. I have a 14 bolt c-clip 6 lug 33 spline axle in my garage and from all looks it appears as it would be one heck of an axle and a cheap alternative to building a 33 spline moser rear end. The one that my brother has is from a 1995 2500. They may be a great axle for non derby use, but given that they are c clip, certainly not my first choice, it is just available and likely better than the 8.8 that is currently in there. |
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Post by snitily19 on Apr 29, 2012 20:19:37 GMT -5
The fact that it is a c-clip in my mind has no effect on how good an axle is. For the retaining method to matter the axle has to break first. When I first switched to bolt in axles I accually had a bearing get ate up and the axle slid out. I am accually slowly getting rid of all my 12 bolt bolt in axles and switching to c-clip. Price and the fact the only thing we were doing was bending the flanges never breaking them. Without the 4 holes in the flange and the fact that a 12 bolt c-clip axle is thicker(not by much) at the bearing I believe I will have less issues. I then stumbled onto the 14 bolt c-clip rear ends. I accually found out about them 3 or 4 years ago when working on a caddilac limo, then more recently trucks. I now have an axle sitting in my garage and may try building one after seeing how impressive the axle is. This axle makes the 12 bolt 31 spline axles look like a tooth pick. I guess I dont have a c-clip phobia like most or can I afford to have. Maybe one day it will bite me. Time will tell.
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Post by jklein5 on Apr 30, 2012 0:37:17 GMT -5
What is the spline count on a stock 8.8 rearend?
Also, running an 8 3/4 we ran into an issue with the axle retainers. They appeared to have a threaded piece that connected to the rest of the retainer. The threaded piece I believe was supposed to have a tapered fit over the axle end to hold it in place. On one side the threaded piece screwed out of the retainer and on the other side the tapered lock expanded. Both sides the axles made it through the heat, but had close to 3/4" of play. The axles we replaced them with looked to have a different style of retainer.
What would cause this retainer issue and what can be done to prevent it?
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