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Post by crusher71 on Nov 8, 2012 0:09:40 GMT -5
Lines were long this morning. Forget ordering a firearm, not only are the ars hard to order, if its not on hand. I witnessed a call to savage arms( as i was doing the buttground check) to the jeck pricing. The dealer changed his mind after inquiring the first gun, he was told if he wasnt placing an order, they were going to the next distributer that was. And to stop wasting time....... HARD TO ORDER?? LOL.. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I COULD GO BUY 5 RIGHT NOW... ANYWHERE AROUND.... |
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Post by yousoldout on Nov 8, 2012 7:28:24 GMT -5
well then all....keep expecting a democrat to get elected if the top issues are god and guns.....
you can all thank us disenchanted moderates in summit, cuyahoga and franklin county ohio.....we are the reason obama won ohio.....
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Post by livetohit76 on Nov 8, 2012 8:51:53 GMT -5
it was posted from a phone. typing is kindof hard on one. smith has cancelled any orders through the rest of the year. seems to me that would make them hard to get, being they are turning bus. away. like i said as he was on the phone, after waiting forever to get in touch with a dist. he was told to not waste thier time... notice i said order, not walkin and buy. as if you wanted something usefull besides the 5 22lr ars most shops have waiting on someone to buy shoot once and throw in the closet. i was also on the phone with rock river arms myself yesterday and waited for over 30 min. thats never happened when calling direct to colona il. start looking at ammunition. most of it is still listed, yet when you call or click, sold out. ie, defense, surplus,....
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Post by livetohit76 on Nov 8, 2012 8:54:59 GMT -5
rob i totally agree, i am all for helping people who need it. just hard to watch it go to those who cant or wont better themselves
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Post by democrat on Nov 10, 2012 7:43:11 GMT -5
The American people spoke loudly tuesday night. not one democrat in office was not re elected. governor, house and senate. People are tired of the attacks to different classes of americans, ie, gays, minorities, women, poor and so on. When the GOP realizesl that old white men are not in charge anymore they will be a viable party again, maybe. The old way of rewarding the rich with tax breaks again and again is done. time for the masses to get a break instead of the upper 5%.
And as far as guns, no one wants your guns period. obama didnt try one single piece of lelgislation when democrats held both houses. Get over it and realize gun lobbyistsl are lying to you and have been since the 90s. They are lining their pockets and gun makers pockets by scare tactics and untruths. You batshit crazy sky falling people will still be saying the same thing in 2016 after 8 years have gone by. You must realize these NRA groups are wack jobs and are laughing all the way to the bank with your hard earned money. Not one crazy thing that was supposed to happen after Obama got elected happened. no death panels, no government controlled anything, no famine, no UN storm troopers taking your guns. You people need to educate yourselves a little bit.
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Post by 911rob on Nov 10, 2012 8:47:40 GMT -5
Just a question but what percent of a persons wage should the government be entitled to
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Post by derbythis on Nov 10, 2012 9:20:29 GMT -5
With the way they are going 100%. You will then be handed back what they feel you need to survive. That is the only way to pay for all of the entitlements like Obamacare, more people on foodstamps, unemployment, illegals receiving government handouts, etc. Realistically I think if spending is reigned in we could survive between 10%-15% across the board. This would be a flat tax with no deductions for anyone. We could then cut a lot of positions at the IRS because it would just be withheld from every pay check. We would still need some oversight on businesses. Businesses would have to pay the same 10%-15% on profits only.
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Post by derbydummy on Nov 10, 2012 10:03:51 GMT -5
The American people spoke loudly Tuesday night. not one democrat in office was not re elected. governor, house and senate. People are tired of the attacks to different classes of Americans, ie, gays, minorities, women, poor and so on. When the GOP realizes that old white men are not in charge anymore they will be a viable party again, maybe. The old way of rewarding the rich with tax breaks again and again is done. time for the masses to get a break instead of the upper 5%. And as far as guns, no one wants your guns period. obama didn't try one single piece of legislation when democrats held both houses. Get over it and realize gun lobbyists are lying to you and have been since the 90s. They are lining their pockets and gun makers pockets by scare tactics and untruths. You bat poop crazy sky falling people will still be saying the same thing in 2016 after 8 years have gone by. You must realize these NRA groups are wack jobs and are laughing all the way to the bank with your hard earned money. Not one crazy thing that was supposed to happen after Obama got elected happened. no death panels, no government controlled anything, no famine, no UN storm troopers taking your guns. You people need to educate yourselves a little bit. The correct response should read , Latinos , Homosexuals , bug hugging , African American , unemployed , lazy , entitlement collecting , uneducated , collage enrolled , pot smoking , young , naive , looking for a handout , Asian , out of touch , unable to make wise decision's for themselves , whack jobs of America spoke loudly ..... Most of the "old white men" and middle age working white class Americans were WORKING for a living Tuesday.. Look at the areas Obama voters dominated... Those cities are dominated by the above described.. A word to the wise... POOR , MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS DO NOT CREATE JOBS .. I have never been offered a job from a BUM !! You cannot impose more tax on the rich ( the people that create jobs ) and expect the economy to grow.. Welfare , unemployment , disability , food stamps and free handout "entitlements" are killing America .. The Government wouldn't be in a fiscal mess if they would quit "giving" away tax revenue to undeserving bums.. Iam all for helping out the poor , and disabled , but I don't consider being lazy a disability.. But that's what bleeding heart liberals do to obtain votes !! As for my guns .. I don't believe any of my guns are worth dying over..I dont get the big conspiracy of running out and buying up all the guns and ammo you can find... I only have maybe a few 100 rounds of ammo and only own 3 rifles , 1 shotgun , a muzzle loader and 2 pistols... So I would hardly consider my stash a BIG arsenal .. But its gonna take some brave soles to step forward until I run out !!! ;D |
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Post by democrat on Nov 10, 2012 10:49:34 GMT -5
Obama won the heaviest populated states. Both coasts and the upper midwest. Obama won the top 10 educated states. Obama won most of the states that pay more into the federal government in taxes than these states get back. romney won 9 of 10 of the biggest deadbeat states. the GOPs stronghold has become sparsely populated southern states and a few out west. These states are usually the most uneducated with the highest amount per capita of people receiving government benefits. Tha GOP message is not working anywhere. They better get their heads out and solve this problem or they will continue to loose every 2 years. If they hadnt redistricted their house boundariesl they would have lost the house too.
I did notice on your list of deadbeats you left out Farmers. They take huge subsidies year after year from the taxpayers. I dont agree with this at all. Farm economies are goodl but the money is still there. Lets cut them too. If you want to see what the guy down the road is getting every year you can go to google and it breaks it down to a county level and you can just type in a name. Its astonishing to see how much these people get. And of course its just likel everything, the bigger the farmer, the more they get. We have farmers around here gettting 100 grand a year. But the average is 40-50.
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Post by alienoutlaw on Nov 10, 2012 11:14:38 GMT -5
Obama won the heaviest populated states. Both coasts and the upper midwest. Obama won the top 10 educated states. Obama won most of the states that pay more into the federal government in taxes than these states get back. romney won 9 of 10 of the biggest deadbeat states. the GOPs stronghold has become sparsely populated southern states and a few out west. These states are usually the most uneducated with the highest amount per capita of people receiving government benefits. Tha GOP message is not working anywhere. They better get their heads out and solve this problem or they will continue to loose every 2 years. If they hadnt redistricted their house boundariesl they would have lost the house too. I did notice on your list of deadbeats you left out Farmers. They take huge subsidies year after year from the taxpayers. I dont agree with this at all. Farm economies are goodl but the money is still there. Lets cut them too. If you want to see what the guy down the road is getting every year you can go to google and it breaks it down to a county level and you can just type in a name. Its astonishing to see how much these people get. And of course its just likel everything, the bigger the farmer, the more they get. We have farmers around here gettting 100 grand a year. But the average is 40-50. Not ot be too blunt... but your sir are a complete idoit..... You ever heard the saying, dont bite the hand that feeds you? What do you think Farmers do....What do you think the expenses of Farming add up to? What did it cost you last year to put your crops out? ? ? I'll be waiting for an answer on how much YOUR Farm can afford to pay in extra taxes then we can continue on this subject.... You know how much Tractors cost in Part Thanks to your mr. Obama's Green kick and all the regulation he has put on machinery that farmers get passed down the expense to? And how do you jugde how EDUCATED a state is? Are they I.Q. Testing everyone now and I didnt hear about it? Tyoical, you got on the internet and looked up SOMEONE elses bogus stats and believe everything you are told just like the rest of the idiots that voted for OBAMA....Thanks for OBAMAcare you idoits..... You are all SHEEPS that believe what you are told to believe and do no actual background checks on anyone...IF you had you would have voted him out simply on his Healthcare plan alone.,... Have any of you supporters even read that bullsh!t? I didnt think so...Or can tell me what he signed intol play in the N.D.A.A.? |
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Post by democrat on Nov 10, 2012 13:50:48 GMT -5
Farm subsidies are a government handout. Period. If they cant make money on their own the "let them fail" The farm lobby spent millions to fight the public release of the subsidy amounts to the farmers. Look them up yourself. Most of my friends are farmers and I live in a farm community. they are doing very, very well. Matter of fact they all drive nicer vehicles then I do and have better homesteads then I do. The farm economy is doing fine on its own. Cut the subsidies. Its tax payers supporting people who dont earn that money. Farming is very expensive, I know that. And I also understand that the farmer that is farming 3000 acres are not being kept alive by subsidies. Why are the American tax payers responsible for a private business?
And its common knowledge which parts of the country are on average more educated then others. It goes by groups not idividuals. And it doesnt do anybody any good to start calling names to people you dont even know. Thats about as uneducated at it gets. Because someone doesnt believe in your way of thinking, you attack, attack and attack some more. that gets nothing accomplished at all. thats what politics has become and we saw the outcome on Tuesday night. The majority of the people voted in this form of Government. They are tired of the lost promises of trickle down economics, tired of the working man paying more in taxes then the rich and frankly tired of the GOP. Keep on attacking and calling people names just like Carl Rove and Rush do everyday and you will see further decline of the Republican Party.
And I dont know much about the NDAA. I assume its the UN gun treaty deal. If it is that, I am educated enough to know that if its signed or was signed, my guns are safe. No political party is gonna attempt to take away your guns. This is political suicide. this cost the Democrats big in the 90s with voters. The NDAA would not alow UN people to do anything here in the US. It still takes a vote of congress. Quit worrying about your guns, they are safe. Guns havnt been taken away since 1776 and just because Obama is president again, they wont be. Worry about something else and move on. quit believing Wayne LaPierre and people like him, who have millions to gain by telling people the sky is falling. gun control is very similar to the global warming theory, which I dont even think is that bad. Tell people over and over again that something is gonna happen and they start believing in it. Then tell them you have a way to fix it but you need money, and more money and more money. Its all about money with the gun lobbies.
The healthcare plan was partly designed from Romneys Mass. plan. 98% of the people in Mass have coverage and they love it. Model program said so by Mitt. He made people more responsible for their own health care and took millions off the state expense. Saving billions to Mass. And there is nothing wrong with making people pay for their own way. Quit subsidizing everyone. I am a democrat, my wife is a democrat and most of my friends are. I dont support bums and most democrats dont. we are smart enough to know that there were bums before Obama and there will be in 2020. I used to vote Republican until they started alienating every group that wasnt wealthy and white. The master plan of the GOP has 2 classes. The rich and the poor, no middle at all. Been that way since 1980. Everything they seem to vote in hurts the middle class and rewards the rich. When Warren Buffett and Bill Gates say things must change for the middle, I tend to believe them. They are quite successful and brilliant people.
See I made the biggest post on here and never name called anyone. Discussions work and no insulting has to happen.
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Post by rpmotorsports on Nov 10, 2012 18:44:28 GMT -5
"And its common knowledge which parts of the country are on average more educated then others."
Educated in what manner? I personally don't believe that statement is entirely true,nor do I believe that a degree in liberal arts makes a person automaticly smarter then me. Honestly 50% of those attending college are ,for the most part, being scammed out of money they do not even have. Which in turn ,more or less, makes them dumber then those who choose not to attend college at all.
One thing to look at is the voting map of the U.S. when it is broke down into red/blue not only by state but by each county.
Lastly, can anyone explain to me why only 2 states divide their electoral votes according to percentage of votes each candidate receives? I'm in NY and everybody knew it would go blue,yet when you look at the map a large protion of the state voted the other way. NYC, Long Island,and the suburbs pretty much wipe out the votes of the rest of the state.
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Post by mkvien on Nov 10, 2012 23:15:12 GMT -5
im a registered republican...always have been voted for obama....again cause the republican party needs to get with the times and dump the anti abortion/christain values/lets go to war platform that no one gives a dammn about Hello. yousoldout....I do not think killing a baby, at any time, during any times, is a good thing. AND, I just said a prayer for you. David Bryan I'm with you David, don't understand where a party that is always so concerned about taking care of the poor and weak (as am I, I give a lot to charity and volunteer often, just not a fan of the big government model), makes killing babies a staple of their platform. That being said, I also call BS on you being a Republican YSO, since Obama is the opposite of everything we (yes, I am a Republican) stand for. Because some on the right, myself included, are Christians and/or pro-life, you vote for the big government liberal. You did sell out, and drank a big ol' glass of the Kool Aid. Hope you guys that voted from him have a plan, cause I've seen some pretty rotten leadership from the President so far. |
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Post by mkvien on Nov 10, 2012 23:23:12 GMT -5
well then all....keep expecting a democrat to get elected if the top issues are god and guns..... you can all thank us disenchanted moderates in summit, cuyahoga and franklin county ohio.....we are the reason obama won ohio..... I missed where Romney made the #1 issues about God and guns, did you catch that on MSNBC, whilst you were quenching your thirst on the aforementioned Kool Aid? |
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Post by mkvien on Nov 10, 2012 23:32:35 GMT -5
Farm subsidies are a government handout. Period. If they cant make money on their own the "let them fail" The farm lobby spent millions to fight the public release of the subsidy amounts to the farmers. Look them up yourself. Most of my friends are farmers and I live in a farm community. they are doing very, very well. Matter of fact they all drive nicer vehicles then I do and have better homesteads then I do. The farm economy is doing fine on its own. Cut the subsidies. Its tax payers supporting people who dont earn that money. Farming is very expensive, I know that. And I also understand that the farmer that is farming 3000 acres are not being kept alive by subsidies. Why are the American tax payers responsible for a private business? And its common knowledge which parts of the country are on average more educated then others. It goes by groups not idividuals. And it doesnt do anybody any good to start calling names to people you dont even know. Thats about as uneducated at it gets. Because someone doesnt believe in your way of thinking, you attack, attack and attack some more. that gets nothing accomplished at all. thats what politics has become and we saw the outcome on Tuesday night. The majority of the people voted in this form of Government. They are tired of the lost promises of trickle down economics, tired of the working man paying more in taxes then the rich and frankly tired of the GOP. Keep on attacking and calling people names just like Carl Rove and Rush do everyday and you will see further decline of the Republican Party. And I dont know much about the NDAA. I assume its the UN gun treaty deal. If it is that, I am educated enough to know that if its signed or was signed, my guns are safe. No political party is gonna attempt to take away your guns. This is political suicide. this cost the Democrats big in the 90s with voters. The NDAA would not alow UN people to do anything here in the US. It still takes a vote of congress. Quit worrying about your guns, they are safe. Guns havnt been taken away since 1776 and just because Obama is president again, they wont be. Worry about something else and move on. quit believing Wayne LaPierre and people like him, who have millions to gain by telling people the sky is falling. gun control is very similar to the global warming theory, which I dont even think is that bad. Tell people over and over again that something is gonna happen and they start believing in it. Then tell them you have a way to fix it but you need money, and more money and more money. Its all about money with the gun lobbies. The healthcare plan was partly designed from Romneys Mass. plan. 98% of the people in Mass have coverage and they love it. Model program said so by Mitt. He made people more responsible for their own health care and took millions off the state expense. Saving billions to Mass. And there is nothing wrong with making people pay for their own way. Quit subsidizing everyone. I am a democrat, my wife is a democrat and most of my friends are. I dont support bums and most democrats dont. we are smart enough to know that there were bums before Obama and there will be in 2020. I used to vote Republican until they started alienating every group that wasnt wealthy and white. The master plan of the GOP has 2 classes. The rich and the poor, no middle at all. Been that way since 1980. Everything they seem to vote in hurts the middle class and rewards the rich. When Warren Buffett and Bill Gates say things must change for the middle, I tend to believe them. They are quite successful and brilliant people. See I made the biggest post on here and never name called anyone. Discussions work and no insulting has to happen. Who tipped Rachel Maddow off that there were some conservatives on the derby websites that needed to be lectured? |
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