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How to build a 2.3!
Post by Cook on Jan 17th, 2009, 05:47am

Im looking to rebuild my 2.3 any tips,advice, or links would be great. Thanks Cook
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by smash4cash23x on Jan 17th, 2009, 07:04am

Well the 2.3 stock is one badazz motor, just make sure you are using a carburated version and not the queered up 8 plug head version. I buy all of my 2.3 performance parts from speedway motors. Their website is www.speedwaymotors.com hope this helps
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 17th, 2009, 08:40am

you can get the rebuild kit from northernautoparts.com.
Mainly Id go .30 over, medium cam, mill the head some down .30 or .40 thousands and maybe some port work.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by CompactKing47 on Jan 17th, 2009, 3:24pm

or just leave it stock hehe
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by BRMD-509 on Jan 17th, 2009, 11:19pm

Yeah right compact king like anything on your motor is stock!! Maybe the stock belts.Who you trying to kid?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 18th, 2009, 12:08pm

mine is coming out of the shop shortly.. 30 over, studded and strapped mains, milled head, lunati cam. solid lifters and stainless chevy 350 valves, duel valve springs, heat treated followers. ported and polished , fuel injected intake, aftermarket rod bolts head studs, high volume oil pump, balanced rotating assembly, holly 4412. supposed to hit over 10k rpms and be over 150 hp. we will find out when i dyno it.. middle of march i will find out.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 18th, 2009, 12:52pm

where ya gonna run it brent, i wanna come watch.

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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by kdh01 on Jan 18th, 2009, 2:44pm

The majority of power in a 2.3 comes from the head. Port it out, do a valve, get a good cam. These bottom ends are bullet proof. I know many mini stock racers that turn 10 grand all night with stock bottom ends. I would just bore it out some to keep it from gettin tight when you get hot.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 18th, 2009, 3:17pm

it will be in emporia this april man.. my mustang II probably wont hold up but im gonna have a blast out running them v8s lol..
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by Cook on Jan 20th, 2009, 03:55am

thanks for the web sites they should help I never had trouble with it getting to hot before and that is what i dont want to happen after the build. So is there anything i can do while rebuilding to make it run cooler?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Jan 20th, 2009, 8:44pm

buildin a 2.3 for the first time and was wanderin what kinda trans do most people run with these motors i know its a little off subject just didnt really want to start new tread just for this
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by smash4cash23x on Jan 21st, 2009, 06:46am

I run auto's a C4 with a shift kit and heavier clutches. Alot of people like manual though the biggest thing is get some gears for your rearend. Lowest I have found for a 7.5 is 4.56 gears.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by dew44 on Jan 21st, 2009, 08:24am

I've heard that the roller cam out that junk 8 plug ranger head works really well in a carbed motor. I run an auto trans C-3 with a big trans cooler that holds 20lbs of ice, with a 3.73 rear gear.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 21st, 2009, 5:42pm

ford 3speed with a _______ bellhousing drilled out to bolt up .
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 21st, 2009, 6:03pm

your not supposed to say what bellhousing brent. Shh!

3 speed here too.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 21st, 2009, 7:01pm

there dj now they can fill in the blank...
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 21st, 2009, 9:05pm

much better, bet you get 5 plus messages on it. lol.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by CUTWHAT on Jan 21st, 2009, 9:25pm

Thats not the only bell that works
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 21st, 2009, 9:51pm

nope, not the only flywheel that works either but the one he said works better.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by CUTWHAT on Jan 21st, 2009, 9:54pm

never had any probs with mine
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by woodys goodys on Feb 4th, 2009, 09:30am

you can stroke one out using chevy sraight 6 rods have crank turnd down and cheep stroker kit my mini stock runs 9 grand and never let me down yet
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by Tealdream A.K.A. 816 on Feb 4th, 2009, 3:12pm

on Jan 21st, 2009, 5:42pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:ford 3speed with a _______ bellhousing drilled out to bolt up .




SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Stop it man!
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 4th, 2009, 5:02pm

on Jan 21st, 2009, 5:42pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:ford 3speed with a _______ bellhousing drilled out to bolt up .



would it happen to be a Ford straight 6 bellhousing?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 4th, 2009, 8:46pm

nope.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 4th, 2009, 8:55pm

r u gonna tell me if i'm right or wrong?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 4th, 2009, 9:07pm


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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 4th, 2009, 9:27pm

ok does it bolt perfect to the trans? or the block? or do you have to drill out both?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 5th, 2009, 5:53pm

just one.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 5th, 2009, 6:16pm

AMC 258? did a little research and found a few bellhousing that bolt directly to the trans. hope one of them is right.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 5th, 2009, 6:46pm

after digging a little deeper i found a company that makes adapter plates that mate the v8 bell to the 2.3.. so now i dont have to guess anymore.. but just for shitz n giggles anyone wanna tell me what bell it is?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 5th, 2009, 6:56pm

lol. nice try.
that adapter is 180 bucks aint it Matt?
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by demoiowa89r on Feb 5th, 2009, 7:33pm

$169
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Feb 5th, 2009, 8:09pm

my only hint is you dont need an adapter plate
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by SkipRip on Feb 9th, 2009, 4:47pm

I've got mine all setup and two more in the shop that will be done this weekend. I'm stuck outta town for work all week or I'd do them tonight. Any suggestions on gears while runnin a three speed two are trucks and one is out of a comet. I have an idea of what I want but thought I'd ask what some of you are running.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 9th, 2009, 4:52pm

go 4.62's w/ an 8 inch. first gear is pretty high in the 3 speeds.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by SkipRip on Feb 9th, 2009, 5:18pm

Yeah it was between that and 4.88's I've ran them in the past with a four speed. What do you think about 8.8's compared to the 8"s I've got tons of 8.8's and the last 8" we ran got broke before my 7.5". I'm thinking of just taking a spare rearend with me everywhere they are easy to change. I will have to be creative with bracing but I think I can make it work.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Feb 9th, 2009, 9:11pm

we have a set-up as low as 5.37s but i do like the 4.62s our deep setup is fun tho i had it im my pacer last year...
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 9th, 2009, 10:04pm

ive never tried the 8.8 but ive seen them break too.
Ive only ever broke one 8" rear on asphalt.
I used a 8 3/4 there last time w/ 4.88's and it didnt break.

I might bring a spare too this time. Not that we will have enough time to change one though.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by junker on Feb 10th, 2009, 5:40pm

I figured this out about 10 years ago. All you need to do is get a bell housing, clutch fork, thick (2") flywheel with pressure plate out of a mustang II. 10 tooth clutch for the three speed. For $30.00 I can get you a pilot bearing that will fit in the flywheel.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 10th, 2009, 8:22pm

hey chase hook a brother up on that bearing
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by SkipRip on Feb 10th, 2009, 8:35pm

Sounds a little different than mine but what ever works.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 10th, 2009, 9:07pm

Your using the T5 setup arent you skiprip?
The t5 one has less rotating mass which is alot better.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by SkipRip on Feb 11th, 2009, 12:39pm

Yep i didnt wanna give up havin the quick reving and i didnt spend a dime had it all already.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by Derby1147 on Feb 11th, 2009, 1:18pm

all u need is a 2 barrel ford on that 2.3 imo
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Feb 16th, 2009, 10:53pm

what kind of work do yall do to the heads on these moters just bought one and its already built from oil pan up to head so some help would be nice
thanks matt
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Feb 17th, 2009, 4:28pm

anyone
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Feb 17th, 2009, 8:27pm

ok i guess noone want to tell me haha but i have a 4 brl holley carb would it be ok or should i trade for 2 brl
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 17th, 2009, 9:36pm

trade it for a holley 2 barrell.

get a good cam, lil port work, and mill it down .20 to .40
thousandths. double valve springs, strap the towers if you bottom end is overbuilt also. bigger valves too but not necessary.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Feb 17th, 2009, 9:38pm

bottom end has been borred,balance has new rods and dome pistons so with that said would all that still be good to do
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 17th, 2009, 9:41pm

sure you can never do to much. if their bored too much or too tight they will get hot easy.
i bore mine .30 over.
most of your power is in the head though.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by layedback40h on Feb 17th, 2009, 9:47pm

ok so i should prolly go all out wit the head and cam
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 17th, 2009, 10:46pm

but not too big of cam, if you do and you try and run an auto it wont run worth a crap.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Feb 18th, 2009, 9:44pm

i want alot of horspower new to the 2.3 let me know what i can do i love to hit hard
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LTmudtire05jr on Feb 18th, 2009, 9:53pm

Work on the heads, and don't run an auto unless you have a decent cam and a geared rear-end.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Feb 19th, 2009, 3:33pm

thanks man what valves should i get and where from
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LTmudtire05jr on Feb 22nd, 2009, 1:37pm

A medium cam with a geared rear-end is best. 2.3's need to see some RPMs before they start showing some power. You obviously don't want a radical cam due to not having the power band in the first 4,000 RPM range(derbies is all about acceleration).
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by never2fast on Feb 22nd, 2009, 7:37pm

could someone give me the part number for a belt that will work on a 2.3 with out the alt. and with out power steering. i am just going the run the water pump thats it. i have a 2.3 from 1983 with the double belt set up. i know someone posted it before but i can find it now that i need it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Feb 23rd, 2009, 1:41pm

where can i get valves 4 2.3 at both websites are on backorder
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 23rd, 2009, 5:02pm

the belt you need the number i use is a 7300 that is a gates number but the parts store can cross reference it for you
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by never2fast on Feb 23rd, 2009, 6:29pm

thanks for the belt number
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SILENTassassin on Feb 23rd, 2009, 8:35pm

Hey, just picked up a head to put on a 2.3 I got. The head has got bigger valves and valve springs, ported and polished, but its milled down 30 thousandths, will this make it harder to turn over when its hot?? Running the stock bolt in axle rear end welded with 3.55 gears and a 4 speed.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 23rd, 2009, 8:49pm

no offense. how fast can you say there goes reverse? lol.

sounds like a good head setup.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Feb 24th, 2009, 07:38am

Tru dat. haha Never have finished a car with the same 4 speed, kept me outta the money by one place two times in a row. Needless to say that was enough of that.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 24th, 2009, 09:19am

anyone know how to read the casting numbers on a ranger 2.3 to tell me what year it is cus i have no idea what year this thing is
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 24th, 2009, 5:04pm

pics help, we could tell ya.
if its this efi intake its up to 85-93.

if its got one of these on it, its a 94 and up.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 24th, 2009, 9:05pm

its carburated 2 barrel so i guess pre 85 or i guess they could have changed the intake
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by TaterTotD60 on Feb 24th, 2009, 10:59pm

hey brian i believe it is out of a early 80 ranger
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SILENTassassin on Feb 25th, 2009, 3:55pm

Ive never had a prob w the mustang 4 speed trannys, its the pinto (thread in shifter) ones that go to shoot I was told
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« Reply #12 on Sept 5, 2011, 9:14am »

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Feb 25th, 2009, 4:04pm

They are bad about shredding reverse....been there, shredded it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Feb 25th, 2009, 4:20pm

what about 5 spds
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 25th, 2009, 4:53pm

yep stang II 4 speeds and t5 5 speeds all lose reverse.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Basher13 on Feb 25th, 2009, 6:04pm

so what are you all running for stick trannys then?

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 25th, 2009, 6:11pm

3speed just about got mine together will see how it works soon i've been told they're badazz so i thought i'd try one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Feb 25th, 2009, 6:13pm

I haven't had trouble with the t5 yet, but I haven't used it much either

C4 auto or 3 speed manual is the way to go
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 25th, 2009, 8:47pm

on Feb 24th, 2009, 10:59pm, olrusty521 wrote:hey brian i believe it is out of a early 80 ranger


yeah i was gonna call u n ask
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Basher13 on Feb 26th, 2009, 12:07am

O.K. call me stupid, but what do you get these 3 speeds out of? I am not familiar at all with them
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Feb 26th, 2009, 11:11am

They were available in just about anything, mid 70's on back....they were still in pickups well into the 80's
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by IMP23x on Feb 26th, 2009, 1:48pm

i ran a t5 trans and never lost reverse granted it was only in one derby but the kid i sold it to ran it again and it worked fine..so two runs on it and worked fine car was trashed though...but yeah i know the stupid reverse gets shredded on them i wouldnt run one again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Feb 26th, 2009, 2:57pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^He got second at that derby.....I got third cuz my 4 speed shelled reverse, so i got nosed onto as Chevette & couldn't back up.

I'm assuming that was the Mustang you got from me.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Derbinator04 on Feb 27th, 2009, 7:29pm

Hey you guys need to checkout Eschlinger Enginering
they have all kinds of HP parts for 2.3L fords Also check out there 4carb motor cycle set up It works great. The motor thinks It's a motor cycle. And will never stall and even run up side down go ;god forbid that ever happens.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 27th, 2009, 10:34pm

hey any body no the exact timing belt mark procedure for a 86 2.3 what mark lines up wit what i dont have a timing light i got a 86 head on a 83 block but it should be the same for both yrs maybe if any body nos please need the help ive been threw a couple books and nothing helps any pics or designs would help too
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Feb 28th, 2009, 10:02am

I have never had a single problem with the T-5 5 speed tranny--derby, street, strip. Every bit as good of tanny as the C4 imao. Never tried a 3 speed, but i will if my T-5 ever takes a shoot.
AS for the guy in the 2nd post i sure hope ur making over 150hp with all that you listed was being done to that thing. U also wont be turning 10grand for long if u are running the stock crank--balanced or not.
2.3 engines dont like revs much past 8500....now a built 2.0 will turn 10grand all night long even with the stock crank.
recipe for 2.3 success is stock bottom end--if u r on a budget, Holly 2bbl, efi lower half, port and big valves, use a D-port head if u can find one. Now comes the biggest part of the motor--the cam. If u are gonna run an auto get a moderate to medium cam, manual get a moderate to larger cam.
Whatever u do dont shave too much off your head. I would never run domed pistons.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LTmudtire05jr on Feb 28th, 2009, 7:19pm

Eschlinger Engineering? Don't you mean Esslinger?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 1st, 2009, 07:41am

on Feb 28th, 2009, 7:19pm, LTmudtire05jr wrote:Eschlinger Engineering? Don't you mean Esslinger?



I was just gonna ask the same question.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Mar 1st, 2009, 11:31pm

hey going put valves in my 2.3 where should i order from
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by geggsdemo on Mar 2nd, 2009, 7:09pm

Well here's my 3 speed setup...302 bellhousing and starter bolts to my adapter plate..

Homemade adapter plate..


302 machined flywheel w/2.3 pattern and spacer


Homemade pilot bushing
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 2nd, 2009, 8:01pm

nice, does it take a 10 inch clutch? thatd be tough to tear it up.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by geggsdemo on Mar 2nd, 2009, 9:08pm

yeh..whatever the 302 clutch is...its prolly just about impossible to tear up.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SILENTassassin on Mar 3rd, 2009, 4:50pm

well i dunno, ive never had a problem with the mustang stick shift trannys, I know a guy who has been running the 4spds outta "certain year" mustangs for 20 years and hes only lost one and that was due to the clutch letting go. Maybe some of you are grinding gears too much or something. I dunno. And I aint gunna hassel around with all the home made parts to put a 3 speed in it, I have a c4 auto that a guy had ran in a foxbody I could try i guess.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by racnaa on Mar 3rd, 2009, 4:57pm

on Mar 3rd, 2009, 4:50pm, DerbyDatPOS wrote:well i dunno, ive never had a problem with the mustang stick shift trannys, I know a guy who has been running the 4spds outta "certain year" mustangs for 20 years and hes only lost one and that was due to the clutch letting go. Maybe some of you are grinding gears too much or something. I dunno. And I aint gunna hassel around with all the home made parts to put a 3 speed in it, I have a c4 auto that a guy had ran in a foxbody I could try i guess.



I never had any problems either until we put a stroker motor that put out near 300 horses at 2850 cc's in our ministock mustang. Shattered a bunch of vital tranny parts. LOL Then had to spend some money further down the drivetrain.



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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 3rd, 2009, 5:07pm

It doesnt require alot of homeade parts for a 3 speed. The only thing you have to have made is a pilot bearing.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 3rd, 2009, 7:07pm

where do they get the alum head to build it on this website, or are they casting them theirselves like motown and those guys do on their blocks.
www.bo-port.com/headpkg.html
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 3rd, 2009, 7:16pm

on Mar 3rd, 2009, 5:07pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:It doesnt require alot of homeade parts for a 3 speed. The only thing you have to have made is a pilot bearing.

yeah the hardest parts to come by on the 3 speed is information
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by geggsdemo on Mar 3rd, 2009, 7:36pm

i guess i shouldnt have put homemade..sounds like i threw it together...everything was machined..i just made my templates myself. yeh there are other ways to use a 3 speed but i bet mines cheaper then anybody elses..i might have $30 in everything
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 3rd, 2009, 11:30pm

are aluminum heads ok to run on a demo car
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 4th, 2009, 5:47pm

i doubt it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 4th, 2009, 10:12pm

thats what i thought but just sent my head to get milled so what kinda cam
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 5th, 2009, 4:47pm

how much milling?
what tranny?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 5th, 2009, 4:56pm

im not real sure prolly just .30 but im runnin a t5
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 5th, 2009, 5:20pm

should be good on the milling.

get a average sized cam. no 500 lift son of a gun.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 5th, 2009, 9:15pm

ok man thnks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Mar 7th, 2009, 11:32am

needing help on a 2.3 what should i do 2 get more power just cam kit valve spring and where from
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 13th, 2009, 9:27pm

will a tranny from a straight 6 fit a 2.3 believe its off a ford f 150 i have and early 80's ranger 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 14th, 2009, 09:52am

no.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by phillip89r on Mar 16th, 2009, 3:09pm

i beleive they make a plate for it though... i think
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 27th, 2009, 12:12am

hey guys you can call me stupid but ive been talkin it over wit the guy im buildin my motor with and im really thinkin about settin it up for a lil alky stupid/or does it sound fun
P.S. it will all be done the right way
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 27th, 2009, 10:32am

give it a try and let us know how it does.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 27th, 2009, 11:32pm

haha so ive gotta be the test bunny
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 28th, 2009, 08:14am

on Mar 7th, 2009, 11:32am, jparker22 wrote:needing help on a 2.3 what should i do 2 get more power just cam kit valve spring and where from

i have a 500 lift cam sbc stainless valves, heat treated followers, dual valve springs, .030 milled on the head, ported and polished, ported and polished fuel injected lower, milled the block... bored 30 over, all studded, strapped mains, balanced rotating assembly, hyper pistons.... hit 149.9 hp @ 6400 rpms....

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 28th, 2009, 10:08am

hey balls deep what r u runnin your hose to from the tip of the header i thought it came off the valve cover
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 28th, 2009, 1:42pm

it does... it runs up to the check valve... it just keeps the motor cooler by sucking all the heat out of the top... you gotta run the check valve to stop it from sucking oil out....
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 28th, 2009, 3:10pm

i looked at the pic and i c where its connected but im runnin 4in a row headers which pipe should i put the c/v to or does it matter
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 28th, 2009, 3:13pm

on Mar 28th, 2009, 3:10pm, layedback40h wrote: i looked at the pic and i c where its connected

right to the side of the valve cover...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 28th, 2009, 3:15pm

did you have to cut it out or was there a hole there sorry for askin so much just my first time buildin a 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 28th, 2009, 3:51pm

thats not a stock valve cover.. its aluminum.. but you can just weld a hose nipple on a regular valve cover.. i did that on my other motor...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 30th, 2009, 07:45am

Just a little machining 101 for you guys.
.003 = three thousanths
.030 = thirty thousanths
.300 = three hundred thousanths
.03 = still thirty thousandths
.30 = still three hundred thousanths
.3 = still three hundred thousanths

dont want anyone feeling like an butt when they go to their local machine shop.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 30th, 2009, 4:39pm

.300 wow, i wanna see someone try to bolt a head on w/ that much milled.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 30th, 2009, 5:39pm

How about a 2.3 bored .30 over....would there even be any cylinder wall left??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 30th, 2009, 8:33pm

ive heard of a 2.3 bored 100 over. something like 2600 c.i.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by racnaa on Mar 30th, 2009, 8:40pm

Our race engine was a 2850 CC, But that was accamplished with a cusom Billet crank, and not exactly stock rods.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 30th, 2009, 8:59pm

im pretty sure mine is .030 over
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Mar 30th, 2009, 9:09pm

need help just got 2.3 with 8 plugs and truck was rolled and wont start motor is 96 what should i do
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 30th, 2009, 9:33pm

keep crankin but i would look at the connection on the computer and make sure nuttin pulled out
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 31st, 2009, 12:32am

can you run the 8 plug head on a carb motor and just block the exhaust side off
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wrestler35us on Mar 31st, 2009, 08:21am

on Mar 30th, 2009, 5:39pm, SNB77 wrote:How about a 2.3 bored .30 over....would there even be any cylinder wall left??



I have one thats .060 over ran great till i messed up the head now it runs like shoot with a stock head
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 31st, 2009, 08:28am

I'm pretty sure you mean .060 over
I like to stick to .020 over with JE forged pistons
I believe Esslinger makes a bored and stroked 2.3 that ends up being a 3.1L....but it does require an SVO tall deck block.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Mar 31st, 2009, 5:09pm

anyone ever put the volvo head on theirs.
I hear it makes the hp unreal.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 31st, 2009, 7:55pm

seen videos on you tube... heard there is quite a bit of machine work involved.. but not for sure...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Mar 31st, 2009, 11:59pm

would really like to know about the volvo head cuz just got great news that my head is cracked yay more money haha
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Apr 1st, 2009, 09:59am

If that's for real, I'd like to know about it too...I've got a Volvo 2.3 sitting with a good head.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 1st, 2009, 6:22pm

There is an article on MerkurTech.com on how its done and the parts needed. Quite a bit of work....looks like something more for a turbocharged street/strip car than a derby car but who am i to say. My 2.3 runs fine and I have too much $$ in the head to try something new.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Apr 1st, 2009, 6:39pm

if i put the new roller cam assembly on my old head would that be pretty hot or should i do more cuz i have a pretty mean shortblock
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 2nd, 2009, 12:01pm

on Apr 1st, 2009, 6:39pm, layedback40h wrote:if i put the new roller cam assembly on my old head would that be pretty hot or should i do more cuz i have a pretty mean shortblock



Well if you have a built shortblock and need a head why dont you put a volvo twin cam head on and tell us all how it works
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Apr 2nd, 2009, 4:01pm

does anyone know where i can find 2300 in ohio?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Apr 2nd, 2009, 4:56pm

on Mar 31st, 2009, 11:59pm, layedback40h wrote:just got great news that my head is cracked



bet that hurts.


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Apr 2nd, 2009, 9:16pm

ya it felt real good but the volvo head would prolly be more money then what im gunna be able to spend but i think im gunna get the roller cam assembly out of a newer stang how would that be and a lil port and polish work
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by comin4ya on Apr 3rd, 2009, 07:27am

iwould leave it stock
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 3rd, 2009, 08:23am

Not worth porting it with a mild cam and stock size
valves
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Apr 3rd, 2009, 4:14pm

how much do you think it would run to get bigger valves

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Apr 4th, 2009, 12:58pm

anyone wanna buy 2.3 4cyl with 8plugs out 96 ranger
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Apr 4th, 2009, 3:03pm

if it has the roller rockers ill buy them from ya
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Apr 10th, 2009, 10:36pm

what all trannys will fit a 2.3 ranger motor with no fab work my creativity skills died in pre school
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by TaterTotD60 on Apr 15th, 2009, 11:29am

4speed, 5speed, c-3, or Over drive transmission out of foxbodys.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Apr 15th, 2009, 9:37pm

and c4. the od one is a A4LD aka Junk.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by notbentframes on Apr 20th, 2009, 8:19pm

Does the roller rockers and cam help with heat?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Apr 20th, 2009, 9:04pm

the best thing to help with heat. is good fuel and slowing your water down... i run under/over drive pullies on my crank and waterpump.. but you can also put a washer 5/8s if i remember right. in place of your thermostat.. in the housing.. it will slow the water down and give it more time to cool in your radiator..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy-k on Apr 24th, 2009, 11:31pm

can you take a efi 2.3 and make it carbed 2.3 i have both motors i was going to put my head form the carbed 2.3 onto my efi 2.3 and change thing up to put into my volvo wagon would this work i am going to put the distribiter, alternater, intake, and all of it on my efi motor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Apr 25th, 2009, 07:45am

no dont change the head... leave the head... they are better... my suggestion is to use the lower intake and buy the adapter plate to change it to carbed.... the efi lower intake flows a lot better than the carb intake...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Apr 25th, 2009, 07:59am

as long as the efi motor isnt newer than 93. they dont have adaters for those intakes.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy-k on Apr 25th, 2009, 11:23pm

mine is a 93 and where can i get adapter plate at ?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Apr 26th, 2009, 10:30pm

it has to have this intake on it not the wide one.


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Apr 26th, 2009, 10:46pm

take your pick.
racerwalsh.zoovy.com/product/RWA1....bbl_1_Alum.html
or
www.speedwaymotors.com
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by notbentframes on Apr 29th, 2009, 12:22am

I have been thinking about runing 114 octane or alky in my motor it has a new carb and fuel pump if that means anything. so need info on both thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Apr 29th, 2009, 11:07pm

im gunna run alky in mine this year so all i can say is go with it im gunna get a holley 500 cfm carb and a guy i know gunna set it up for me
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on May 7th, 2009, 11:56am

110 racing fuel has always worked well for me.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Derby1147 on May 7th, 2009, 5:46pm

dont need a holly 500 only need a 2 barrell ford carb
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by temke#13D on May 7th, 2009, 10:17pm

betta than that use a single barrell hardly ever no flooding same performance as two jmo def. dont use four unless you have a better way of doing it than every body else i talk to . anybody got a perfect bore number iam inthe process of rebuilding mine planned on going big but not to far like sinking 4000 or sumtin into it but defiently wanting power
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on May 8th, 2009, 07:53am

I also use a 1 barrel carb and have no problems at all
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by G14 on May 13th, 2009, 6:14pm

can somebody help a brother out on witch bell housing will fit a 2.3 to run the 3 speed pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on May 13th, 2009, 11:24pm

t5
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by slacker349 on May 25th, 2009, 4:08pm

anybody no where i can find a 3 or 4 speed trany
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on May 25th, 2009, 11:03pm

70s fairmount
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by htderby77 on May 25th, 2009, 11:06pm

what all would it take to put a three spd behind a 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on May 26th, 2009, 07:55am

What Jet Size do you all run in your Holly Carbs?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on May 27th, 2009, 06:41am

where can i find carburated 2300 in ohio no junkyards around here have one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on May 27th, 2009, 6:23pm

on May 25th, 2009, 11:06pm, htderby77 wrote:what all would it take to put a three spd behind a 2.3

drilling out the bellhousing or tranny.. depends on which 3speed you use.. and getting a different clutch plate..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by naws5 on May 29th, 2009, 08:51am

Whats the best way to set one up on a limited budget. Dont have a lot to put into it but I know theres a few things someone would recommend to do to it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on May 29th, 2009, 1:33pm

on May 26th, 2009, 07:55am, skiprip wrote:What Jet Size do you all run in your Holly Carbs?



55's in mine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on May 29th, 2009, 3:36pm

on May 29th, 2009, 1:33pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:55's in mine



Hmm mine has 66's in it I ran it like that last year and it ran great this year it has a little miss in it and if you hold it at about 3000 rpm it has a pop in it that is nice and steady I'm so lost, I've changed engines and it does the same thing, so I changed plugs, wires dist/coil and intake nothing changes I'm gonna try gettin it going tonight even if it has a slight hiccup in it It ran really hard the other night so It'll just sound like crap when its runnin i guess.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on May 29th, 2009, 6:04pm

My brothers motor had that pop to it twice. The first time was on a stang II and the brake booster was pumping brake fluid in the intake.
The second time he never could figure it out but i dont believe it does it anymore.


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wG92 on Jun 2nd, 2009, 3:29pm

i just got a 2.3 was wondering what wires i need to keep it running im going to take all the wires out and start from scratch
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jun 2nd, 2009, 11:10pm

your gonna have to supply more info WG92.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wideopen01 on Jun 3rd, 2009, 08:46am

What ignition are you running when you gat the pop or hickup? We haven't had any problems with the electronic doing that and it is easy to wire.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jun 3rd, 2009, 2:38pm

At first I was using my ignitor ii ignition and then I switched back to the original electronic ignition.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:49pm

Points, or mallory dual point.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wG92 on Jun 3rd, 2009, 8:52pm

its a 87 mustang 2.3 and im just wanting to get it running on the least amount of wires i can its fi


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 3rd, 2009, 9:39pm

do you plan on keeping it fuel injected? if so you'll have to keep all the wiring for the computer you'll have to have the computer to run the injectors and all your best bet would be to switch to a carb and put in a points ignition 1 wire and you're good to go
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 3rd, 2009, 9:55pm

i saw a manual transmission out of an amc eagle wagon 2wd and it looks like one of the t5 bellhousing would bolt up to this transmission has any one done this are these trannys any better than than the 4 speeds are or would it be a waste of time
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jun 4th, 2009, 12:23am

I have had a spirit that had the pinto 4 speed in it, attached to the 151 amc motor, came from the factory that way.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 4th, 2009, 12:31am

i don't know what motor was in it i'm assuming it was the 6 cylinder it had a 10 spline imput shaft like the 3 speeds and the t5 but the tip of the shaft is smaller than the 3 speeds any ideas on what tranny this is or if it would be worth picking up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wG92 on Jun 4th, 2009, 12:49pm

ok well how hard is it to do that switch it to carb and about how much would it cost and what all will i need
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 4th, 2009, 2:52pm

you will need an intake off of 83,84.85,carbed mustang or ranger tou can pick one of them up at a junkyard they shouldn't be too expensive you will need a motorcraft two barrel carb they came on anything made by ford in the 70s and you will need a points dist. for

[derbyguyf16]

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by wG92 on Jun 4th, 2009, 4:19pm

ok thanks for the help and will the carb off of an 83-85 work
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 4th, 2009, 6:08pm

yes they will work they are a 1bbl and either they are good or junk
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 6th, 2009, 1:01pm

what do you guys think about making a water cross over to the back of the head where the coolant sender is will this help keep it cooler or is it a waste of time thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Jun 10th, 2009, 09:16am

mine runs so good hot that I have never worried about it, I have seen one person do it and didnt see a big difference.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jun 10th, 2009, 6:02pm

ok thanks just trying to help it stay cooler longer they run fine hot i just figure if I increased water to the back of the head it might help a little
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by slacker349 on Jun 11th, 2009, 7:16pm

does anyone know if the 2.3 turbo motors are any good
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jun 12th, 2009, 1:53pm

What about a fuel pump? I'm switching from Fuel Inj to carbed.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jun 16th, 2009, 6:04pm

on Jun 11th, 2009, 7:16pm, slacker349 wrote:does anyone know if the 2.3 turbo motors are any good


not without the turbo... if you have one how much do you want for it tho??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jun 16th, 2009, 6:05pm

on Jun 12th, 2009, 1:53pm, Bullman630 wrote:What about a fuel pump? I'm switching from Fuel Inj to carbed.


we just run the low pressure electric pumps from the parts store.. around 30 bucks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jun 16th, 2009, 6:07pm

on Jun 4th, 2009, 12:49pm, wG92 wrote:ok well how hard is it to do that switch it to carb and about how much would it cost and what all will i need


or you can plug your injector holes and run a spacer plate 100 bucks. with the motorcraft carb and it will flow better
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Jun 17th, 2009, 10:36pm

keep the efi intake and get the plate it would be about the same amount if you have a carb
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by slacker349 on Jun 18th, 2009, 3:22pm

make me an offer on the turbo
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jun 18th, 2009, 8:51pm

on Jun 18th, 2009, 3:22pm, slacker349 wrote:make me an offer on the turbo


does it run? where are you located? and do you have the complete motor?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by slacker349 on Jun 19th, 2009, 3:33pm

im in ky just south of ohio and it does run and drive it does one heck of a burnout i will say that about it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jun 24th, 2009, 2:01pm

If ballsdeep is too far away and doesn't want it, I'll come get it if the price is right.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jun 24th, 2009, 7:19pm

thats a lil far away for me bullman.. get it

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by rustrodracing54 on Jul 3rd, 2009, 11:10pm

anyone know how to set up a 89 efi 2.3 with no key?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 4th, 2009, 11:12am

What are you guys plugging the injector holes in the EFI intake with?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Jul 4th, 2009, 4:01pm

welder
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Jul 4th, 2009, 5:17pm

i have a motorcraft 2brl carb off a 302 and its not fittin anyone else have this porblem
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 5th, 2009, 12:38pm

I'm building an adapter to go from the efi to a 2 barrel Rochester from a 305 so I'm no help there..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Jul 5th, 2009, 2:24pm

got it figured out but what should i shet the jets at 3 turns or less
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 6th, 2009, 1:41pm

I'm thinking the EFI intake is aluminum.. So how would I plug the injector holes now?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 6th, 2009, 5:30pm

on Jul 6th, 2009, 1:41pm, Bullman630 wrote:I'm thinking the EFI intake is aluminum.. So how would I plug the injector holes now?



Answer remains the same....welder.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 7th, 2009, 09:05am

I think I'll leave the injectors and rail on for the first derby and maybe make that a winter project.. I've never welded aluminum before.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jul 7th, 2009, 12:30pm

Yeah I took the easy way out and just used the wire brush on the end of a drill to clean them up really good and then used Quick Steel. It's worked great so far.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 7th, 2009, 4:55pm

How about the Duraspark box? Will one off of anything work or does it have to be a 2.3? The car I have had EFI so I'm trying to make an electronic distributor and a carburator work..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 7th, 2009, 7:53pm

on Jul 7th, 2009, 09:05am, Bullman630 wrote:I think I'll leave the injectors and rail on for the first derby and maybe make that a winter project.. I've never welded aluminum before.


you can tig it our you can also find soft plugs that fit it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 7th, 2009, 7:54pm

on Jul 7th, 2009, 4:55pm, Bullman630 wrote:How about the Duraspark box? Will one off of anything work or does it have to be a 2.3? The car I have had EFI so I'm trying to make an electronic distributor and a carburator work..


all of the boxes will work EXCEPT the heavy duty.. we have tried a few of them.. they are off the trucks mainly and makes them act like they have a rev limiter..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 7th, 2009, 8:17pm

Just to clarify, the dura spark will work with the distributor that doesn't use one stock?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jul 7th, 2009, 8:39pm

no for dura spark to work you must have a duraspark dist. if it is 85 or newer it probably has a tfi
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 7th, 2009, 9:45pm

Is there a way to make the later models TFI? work?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jul 15th, 2009, 12:37am

why would ya try. spark is spark. tfi runs off a computer.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jul 15th, 2009, 11:59am

If you clean it up, TFI makes a great paper weight...the modules are very heat sensitive...tried & failed
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Drury 74P on Jul 15th, 2009, 3:48pm

ok so what does everyone use for carbs and what CFM and what jets?

DRURY
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jul 15th, 2009, 6:18pm

I use a predator carb, the cfms increase the farther i put the pedal down.
jets about 55
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 19th, 2009, 12:22pm

on Jul 15th, 2009, 6:18pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:I use a predator carb, the cfms increase the farther i put the pedal down.
jets about 55



No $hit??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clarkracing98 on Jul 20th, 2009, 6:31pm

whats the fireing order for a 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 20th, 2009, 8:32pm

on Jul 19th, 2009, 12:22pm, SNB77 wrote:No $hit??

[derbyguyf16]

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the dyno said mine runs best on 64s
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 20th, 2009, 8:36pm

on Jul 20th, 2009, 6:31pm, clarkracing98 wrote:whats the fireing order for a 2.3



1-3-4-2
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 20th, 2009, 8:39pm

on Jul 20th, 2009, 8:32pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:the dyno said mine runs best on 64s



I run 64's with my 350 holley and 68's with the 500 holley. All around performance seems to be better with the 350 for me.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 21st, 2009, 06:49am

i agree... im running the 4412 right now as welll... would love to have a 350 but they are pricey, and my set up still works..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jul 21st, 2009, 07:42am

on Jul 20th, 2009, 8:39pm, SNB77 wrote:I run 64's with my 350 holley and 68's with the 500 holley. All around performance seems to be better with the 350 for me.



Well that def. answers my question I thinik I've got 66's in my 350 and god knows what in the 500 I'm running tonight the linkage if effed on my 350 for now.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 21st, 2009, 07:47am

Got my 350 holley off ebay for $165. Was reconditioned and had off-road kit installed.....works nice.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clarkracing98 on Jul 21st, 2009, 4:07pm

clock wise or counter
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jul 21st, 2009, 4:14pm

Clockwise

4 2
3 1
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clarkracing98 on Jul 24th, 2009, 5:16pm

what degree do you time to?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 24th, 2009, 9:07pm

I run mine at 36 degrees total advance
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 29th, 2009, 11:40am

So, I took my EFI intake off last night to have the injector holes and the sensor holes filled and there is a big metal canister thing under the intake with a hose coming out of it. WTF is this thing? Also, do you guys plug the hole that coolant runs through on the intake or loop it to something?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 29th, 2009, 1:20pm

the metal canister is crank breather and i welded off my coolant port in the center of the face of the intake.. so none of the hot water heats up my fuel...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 29th, 2009, 4:33pm

What do I do with the crank breather? Is that what you hook to the header to relieve the pressure?

Aaaand some more head work questions.. What valves are you guys using when you say "SBC valves"? I'm looking to put in bigger valves, port/polish, mill a little off the head and then put in a cam. I just need to know what to tell the machine shop and what to buy. I know what everything is, I'm just no machinist. And with that headwork, would www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/CamDetails.aspx?csid=777&sb=2 be good running a manual tranny or would that be too big?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 29th, 2009, 5:41pm

we tapped the hole and mounted a mini cone filter on it... and for the cam i ran a Lunati 42905 cam its pretty radical.. i idle at 1475 rpm just to make it run..i milled .030 off the head and decked my block as well so its a little more than that in all actuallity.. i ran stock sbc stainless valves.. 188s and 164s? im not a chevy man but i know they almost touch eachother while both closed.. and you there is almost no seat.. the tube going to my header is tapped out of my valve cover... heat and smoke rises so the exhaust sucks all the crap out of the top of my motor and makes it run a lot cooler..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 29th, 2009, 5:45pm

oh yeah forgot.. the biggest difference maker in my head i think is the solid lifters... they dont float out like the hyd. lifters.. the kit for them is around 300 i think.. esslinger has all the goodies like adj. cam sprockets, power pullies and stud and strap kits.. thats where i got most my stuff
www.esslingeracing.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Jul 29th, 2009, 6:00pm

ballsdeep08 said:

we tapped the hole and mounted a mini cone filter on it... quote]

So you took the canister off and mounted a filter to it?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jul 29th, 2009, 10:22pm

yeah tapped it for pipe thread and put a little pipe then clamped a cone filter to it

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:01pm

im not sure on if you need a front or rear sump pan.. but i am running a stock electronic distributor that has been welded on and has big block chrysler springs in it.. they just dont rebuild them worth a crap anymore.. my machinist just pretty much rebuilt a brand new one to get the throtle response he wanted out of mine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:30pm

The Volvo will need a rear sump pan.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by The Hitman on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:19pm

i have a pinto ith the 2.3, it has the front sump pan.
can i use this pan/pickup on a later model 2.3 out of a 90s mustang so it will fit into the pinto?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:42pm

on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:19pm, The Hitman wrote:i have a pinto ith the 2.3, it has the front sump pan.
can i use this pan/pickup on a later model 2.3 out of a 90s mustang so it will fit into the pinto?


yeah it will fit and bolt up fine.. just will have to plug your dipstick hole and wont be able to check your oil.. mine it that way at the moment..
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by kdda191 on Aug 8th, 2009, 02:12am

on Jan 18th, 2009, 12:08pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:mine is coming out of the shop shortly.. 30 over, studded and strapped mains, milled head, lunati cam. solid lifters and stainless chevy 350 valves, duel valve springs, heat treated followers. ported and polished , fuel injected intake, aftermarket rod bolts head studs, high volume oil pump, balanced rotating assembly, holly 4412. supposed to hit over 10k rpms and be over 150 hp. we will find out when i dyno it.. middle of march i will find out.



10,000 rpm good luck with that.... only 150hp with that? our 30 over's make 200, and my stroked 2.3 that is 2850, makes 230+hp.... and will do max 9000 rpm. they are our mini stock motors, but make their way into demo cars once and a while. all part come from esslinger and racer walsh.
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by kdda191 on Aug 8th, 2009, 02:13am

on Jan 18th, 2009, 2:44pm, kdh01 wrote:The majority of power in a 2.3 comes from the head. Port it out, do a valve, get a good cam. These bottom ends are bullet proof. I know many mini stock racers that turn 10 grand all night with stock bottom ends. I would just bore it out some to keep it from gettin tight when you get hot.




HAHAHA 10 grand stock bottom end is a lie!!!! stock bearings give out at about 6500...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdda191 on Aug 8th, 2009, 02:48am

And one more thing. You guys that say the stock 1bbl and 2bbl motorcraft carbs are good, you are nuts! JUNK!!!! A Holley 500 2bbl is the best carb for these motors if you are doing any mods to them. 110 race gas is a must also. Dont do the Volvo alum head. The strong point of a 2.3 is that its an all cast iron motor. Up here, Toyota's "are the cars to beat" with their 20r and 2&3 TC's, but they are alum heads. once they get hot, no power and the heads warp. The guys up here dont wanna take the time to build the Fords, and most talk shoot cause they dont know what a 2.3 is capable of, or how well a Ford can work...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Aug 8th, 2009, 11:18am


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by steelayer on Aug 8th, 2009, 11:48am

im converting my 88 mustang to carb from efi. Im planning on useing the stock D port head (as long as its not cracked) and I want to use the stock EFI intake but the rules say we cant port it at all so it seems like it wouldnt flow to well with a holley 5200 2 barrel on it does anyone have any experiance useing a efi intake like this and how did it work? or would it be better to get the carb intake off a 83-85 stang?
btw this is for a mini stock car thats why there are rules. thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Aug 9th, 2009, 9:54pm

run the stock lower and 4412 with the adapter plate..
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by ballsdeep08 on Aug 9th, 2009, 9:59pm

on Aug 8th, 2009, 02:12am, kdda191 wrote:10,000 rpm good luck with that.... only 150hp with that? our 30 over's make 200, and my stroked 2.3 that is 2850, makes 230+hp.... and will do max 9000 rpm. they are our mini stock motors, but make their way into demo cars once and a while. all part come from esslinger and racer walsh.


mine is a lil short of 200 and peaked at 7400 on the dyno.. they ran it to 8200 on the last pull but it lost 6 hp so i put my msd chip in accordingly
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Aug 10th, 2009, 09:52am

No clue what mine makes for power. Turns 7600-7800 and makes me and the crowd happy when its WOT and thats all that matters to me
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Aug 10th, 2009, 10:52am

I ran a friends Holley 500 on mine last time and liked it more than my 350. By the way where in the heck can I buy a new throttle shaft for my 350? My linkage is all bent up and its messed up where it is crimped onto my throttle shaft, because of the crimp is messed up the accel pump cam slips off the arm and sticks at WOT.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Aug 10th, 2009, 1:45pm

Look back a few pages I think the guys said the sizes they run. Mine was straight off a very built 350 the jets were not correct.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Aug 10th, 2009, 5:45pm

on the dyno mine ran best with 64s
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Aug 10th, 2009, 6:19pm

on Aug 10th, 2009, 12:59pm, crazy12horse wrote:what size jets do you guys use with the holley 500



I run 64's with a holley 350 and 68's with a holley 500. Powervalve blocked off on both.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by naws5 on Aug 20th, 2009, 08:36am

I was lookin last night and there is a electronic regulator underneat the solenoid do i have to wire this up with the motor or can i do away with it?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by phillip89r on Aug 20th, 2009, 3:34pm

i got a problem out of my motor... the car ran pretty good when it was fuel injected. i took the junk 8 plug head off. i replaced it with a head from another mustang. i put my distributer in. put on my intake and my new carb i just got yesterday. i have new plugs and plug wires.... now here is my problem. i am missing on the second cyl... i dont know what the problem could be, but i have had to time my car 4 times in the last 2 days.... i had it in time yesterday, it ran like crap, but everytime i go to start the thing back up after its running, all i ever hear is poping through the carb............ and then it will stop and act like its going to start up without any poping then it will shoot flame out my carb... i know it sounds like its out of time. but we had a timing light on it yeasterday. and it was times right... could this distributer be bad, i had the same problem on a different motor that ran great for a week and then it started popping.. but if u move the duraspark wires on my distributer, it will come out of the popping and fire up, but only run on 3 cyl... we took the plug out and it seems to fire, but only like a hit and miss... anyone who can think of anything please let me know... thanks!
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Aug 21st, 2009, 12:21am

try dist and then duraspark box but if all else fails put a quarter in it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by phillip89r on Aug 21st, 2009, 12:36am

ha ha matt... the only one that gets to tell me that is andy
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Aug 21st, 2009, 12:40am

i got mine out again today runnin good
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Basher13 on Aug 28th, 2009, 01:13am

i had a cam go bad in my stang II 2.3.......basically a stock motor, would it do any good to get a little bit better cam or just go with a stock one?....and if it will, where is a good place to get one and what kind/which one? thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Sep 5th, 2009, 01:17am

do you need the spring on the timin tensioner
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Sep 5th, 2009, 08:30am

anyone that is running solid lifters.. dont forget to put mousetraps on your followers... derbied last weekend and ended up with 4th instead of 1st cause a follower fell off when i made a hit
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Sep 5th, 2009, 09:54am

on Aug 20th, 2009, 08:36am, naws5 wrote:I was lookin last night and there is a electronic regulator underneat the solenoid do i have to wire this up with the motor or can i do away with it?



If you are talking about the voltage regulator, there are 2 ways to get rid of it.....either ditch the alternator, or do as I do...run an internally regulated gm alternator.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Sep 9th, 2009, 12:34am

ok so my motor was runnin great like last time and i shut it down went in for the night came out the next day tried to start the thing turned over really fast (my motor turns slow usually) cranked on it for a couple of seconds and nuttin. went around looked at wiring everything good brand new dura-box then i looked at the belt, every tooth was stripped off by the crank gear again im not sure wtf is going on any ideas bad head, junk belt of what i just wanna keep a belt on long enough to stand my stang up so plz help
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Oct 4th, 2009, 10:43pm

When you take off the junk belt is there any rubber buildup on either of the pulleys? If one is staying put while it's spinning that'd atleast lead you in the right direction.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Oct 4th, 2009, 11:03pm

no theres no built up and i got that problem figured out now i just have to find out wtf is makin a god awful noise but atleast ill have it over winter kinda thinkin of gettin a 4.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Oct 7th, 2009, 10:15am

on Oct 4th, 2009, 11:03pm, layedback40h wrote:no theres no built up and i got that problem figured out now i just have to find out wtf is makin a god awful noise but atleast ill have it over winter kinda thinkin of gettin a 4.3



You will regret it! If nothing else just put a stock 2.3 with your good carb. and stacks on it, maybe different ignition setup IMO you won't beat the reliability.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by pintoad on Oct 9th, 2009, 11:41pm

i have a 2.3 out of a 79 pinto.. i am looking for a low budget build on the engine for next month... i know the motor only has like 50,000 miles on it original.... im NOT looking to go to the moon with it just curius as to what carb, dist, setup and any other tips to make it perform would be great! i have access to a set of 456 gear.. is an auto tranny best with 456's? i have always destroyed 5 speeds.. but i was a little ruff on them also.. motor is bone stock right now...
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Re: How to build a 2.3?
Post by kdh01 on Oct 11th, 2009, 10:48pm

on Aug 8th, 2009, 02:13am, kdda191 wrote:HAHAHA 10 grand stock bottom end is a lie!!!! stock bearings give out at about 6500...



my bearings havent gave out yet. i have a 2.3 with stock bottom end in my 4 cyl. mini rod and turn 8,000 rpms going down the track. and this is the 4th year on that motor. 2.3 bottoms ends are the toughest stock bottoms ends you will find.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Oct 20th, 2009, 10:10am

heck go to the moon wit it i am wit mine i may even go to mars with it i wanna see what a 2.3 will do
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy-k on Oct 22nd, 2009, 02:31am

ok guys i want a good 2.3 but i dont know where to start and i want good parts but decent price i want to do a total rebuild i have acouple of buddys that know how to put these motors back together for me so if anyone could im me and let me know what do you for a good 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Oct 22nd, 2009, 5:01pm

on Oct 22nd, 2009, 02:31am, chevyman21k wrote:ok guys i want a good 2.3 but i dont know where to start and i want good parts but decent price i want to do a total rebuild i have acouple of buddys that know how to put these motors back together for me so if anyone could im me and let me know what do you for a good 2.3



look through speedway, esslinger and racer walsh
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Oct 24th, 2009, 10:04am

on Oct 22nd, 2009, 02:31am, chevyman21k wrote:ok guys i want a good 2.3 but i dont know where to start and i want good parts but decent price i want to do a total rebuild i have acouple of buddys that know how to put these motors back together for me so if anyone could im me and let me know what do you for a good 2.3


its mainly in the head... larger valves, cam, port and polish, mill work..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by slacker349 on Oct 26th, 2009, 8:28pm

about what does it cost to have a motor that will make heads turn and where would i start

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Oct 30th, 2009, 3:29pm

on Oct 26th, 2009, 8:28pm, slacker349 wrote:about what does it cost to have a motor that will make heads turn and where would i start



depends on how crazy you want to get with it...easily at least $700 depending on the machine work you get done to the head.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cb43x on Oct 30th, 2009, 4:39pm

what would be the ideal cam lift in a pretty much stock roller 2.3??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Oct 30th, 2009, 8:33pm

on Oct 30th, 2009, 4:39pm, cb43x wrote:what would be the ideal cam lift in a pretty much stock roller 2.3??


Depends on how radical you want to get with it. you could spend $1000 and get esslingers full oversized valve train and spin 9,000 rpms or spend $200 and get speedways hydralic cam with a .430 lift 236 duration 3800-7200 rpm
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:36pm

Well i dont know if this is right on topic but i was wanting to put headers on a fuel inject 2.3...would these bolt up to an 89 2.3?http://www.decheaders.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=64_65_43_48&products_id=543
If not would they if i got a cast iron head and what kind of work would we be talking to put a cast iron head on the new style motor....or is it possible?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 3rd, 2009, 05:02am

on Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:36pm, StressedOutPerform wrote:Well i dont know if this is right on topic but i was wanting to put headers on a fuel inject 2.3...would these bolt up to an 89 2.3?http://www.decheaders.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=64_65_43_48&products_id=543
If not would they if i got a cast iron head and what kind of work would we be talking to put a cast iron head on the new style motor....or is it possible?



I think they will fit on your motor. Just make sure the bolt pattern is the same.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Nov 3rd, 2009, 07:05am

2.3 headers from Mike's derby shop will cost less & will come with both sets of holes
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Nov 3rd, 2009, 07:50am

Thanks c4, so it will work on old and new 2.3's?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 3rd, 2009, 3:35pm

If you want a header that is actually going to make you some HP have it enter the collector in firing order, 1-3-4-2. This pulls more air in and out of the cylinders creating more HP. If you notice the headers in the link u posted the exit order is just 1-2-3-4.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Nov 3rd, 2009, 11:11pm

on Nov 3rd, 2009, 07:50am, StressedOutPerform wrote:Thanks c4, so it will work on old and new 2.3's?



That's what I meant by both sets of holes. They are off the car. If I remember, I'll put up a pic this weekend.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by MEAT on Nov 9th, 2009, 8:12pm

on Nov 3rd, 2009, 3:35pm, kdh01 wrote:If you want a header that is actually going to make you some HP have it enter the collector in firing order, 1-3-4-2. This pulls more air in and out of the cylinders creating more HP. If you notice the headers in the link u posted the exit order is just 1-2-3-4.



I'm not following how you would do that..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by HUHN137 on Nov 9th, 2009, 9:52pm

me either
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 1zderbyz on Nov 10th, 2009, 6:28pm

i have a efi 2.3 i have the carb for it 2barrel and i also filled in the injector holes. what else do i have to do to it to finish making it carbed. what do i do to the dist and what kind of fuel pump should i use?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 11th, 2009, 5:51pm

on Nov 9th, 2009, 8:12pm, Bullman630 wrote:I'm not following how you would do that..



you put the 2 n 4 cylinder on the outside of the collector and 1 and 3 on the inside. i have mine bent some because i have all the primarys at 31 inches.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Nov 11th, 2009, 5:52pm

on Nov 9th, 2009, 8:12pm, Bullman630 wrote:I'm not following how you would do that..



I'm confused also
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 11th, 2009, 6:00pm

just buy a collector and some header tubes sit by ur motor and welder and go to work...thats what i did
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Nov 13th, 2009, 10:36am

So basically what your saying is that equal length headers make more power on 2.3's?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Bredesen on Nov 13th, 2009, 4:00pm

Yes, It equalizes the exhaust pressure on each cylinder.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 14th, 2009, 01:37am

on Nov 13th, 2009, 4:00pm, Bredesen wrote:Yes, It equalizes the exhaust pressure on each cylinder.



exactly
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Nov 16th, 2009, 9:07pm

okay i have read all post and trying to get all info

the intake needs to come off 83 thur 85 mustang or ranger why cant you use the same carb

what years for the carb. it said 70s ford does that mean any ford car or has to be a mini car

also what year points dis will work in these motors i saw that one guy post 74 pinto but is it only one year that will work

i work for a slavage yard trying to change this motor over with the less amount of money as i can
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Nov 17th, 2009, 10:24am

^^^^^^ 2 bbl from 70's small Ford V8....with a spacer, it will bolt to the intake.....you can use the original carb...reliable, but won't produce near the rpm or power

prior to '74 had a 2.0....after '74 was dura spark ignition (better than points in my opinion and almost as easy to wire)
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Nov 18th, 2009, 4:51pm

okay were do you get spacer from for the 70s carb

and will the dis out of the ranger work as well just trying to get it running for next then put money into it later when i have some
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Nov 21st, 2009, 10:46am

should be able to order one at any parts store
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Nov 28th, 2009, 12:02pm

Which is geared lower.... mustang 5 speed or ranger 5 speed. Seems to me like the ranger tranny is geared lower in 1st.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Nov 28th, 2009, 12:22pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say ranger
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Nov 30th, 2009, 3:42pm

Thats what I run... I use the e.f.i. set up with the ranger 5 speed. I want to get as much low end power as I can without spending too much. I would gear down to a 4:56 but those seem to screw ya when the track is slick. I've been told there is a plate to bolt a 302 clutch assembly to a 2.3, any thoughts guys?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by derbyman96 on Dec 7th, 2009, 1:18pm

I have a 2.3 that got pretty hot and I think I warped the heads....good motor only has 70000 miles on her,and I was wondering whats the cheapest way of fixing the problem and is it a good idea to run points instead ?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 8th, 2009, 1:05pm

Get the head crack checked and mill it down. If u have cash to spend get some goodies from esslinger, sppedway, or racer walsh while the head is off anyways. If you are on a tight budget i would run dura-spark ignition. If you not then get an MSD billet dist. and a 6A-L box. If you are rich then i would get a crankfire distributorless ignition set-up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Dec 8th, 2009, 6:42pm

i run an msd right now.. but the best ignition for the 2.3 is Mel's Ignition... you will have to look up his number on the internet. he doesnt have a web site.. hes in carolina somewhere.. but he has dedicated his life to hand building the best ignition system posible for that motor... his whole set up runs about 350-400 bucks with the best wires money can buy.. great guy to deal with with great stories to tell...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 8th, 2009, 8:40pm

I run an MSD set-up also and it has treated me great so far.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Dec 12th, 2009, 09:45am

im tearing my stock 2.3 down to replace all the gaskets and cleaning the block up im gonna paint it chevy orange or grabber green with neon orange tip on my header is there anything i should do the internals to make it run better when its hot??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 13th, 2009, 2:04pm

I have heard that stiffer springs help keep them running good. The stock ones get weak under high temps
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Dec 14th, 2009, 10:25am

Is the old (carbed) 2.3 exhaust manifold the same as the new (fuel injected) 2.3 exhaust manifold? Would like to know so i can get some headers made.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 14th, 2009, 4:14pm

It is the same bolt pattern
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Dec 18th, 2009, 07:24am

on Dec 14th, 2009, 10:25am, StressedOutPerform wrote:Is the old (carbed) 2.3 exhaust manifold the same as the new (fuel injected) 2.3 exhaust manifold? Would like to know so i can get some headers made.




dec makes some awsome headers for the money and they sound mean
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 18th, 2009, 4:05pm

How much is a DEC header?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 18th, 2009, 4:08pm

How much are the headers
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 18th, 2009, 6:49pm

on Dec 18th, 2009, 4:05pm, Clowes98 wrote:How much is a DEC header?



DEC makes 10 different headers for the 2.3. Prices range from $75 to $115. www.decheaders.com
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 18th, 2009, 7:17pm

Cool thanks for the info
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 18th, 2009, 7:28pm

Who has the best deals on 14" mud or tractor tires?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 18th, 2009, 8:50pm

on Dec 18th, 2009, 7:28pm, Clowes98 wrote:Who has the best deals on 14" mud or tractor tires?



PM "ty613" I got mine from him....but i also live 1/2 hour away so i didnt have any shipping expense
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Dec 19th, 2009, 11:49am

Yea shipping cost might kill me . Can't find his user ID on here... Where is he located anyway?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 19th, 2009, 1:16pm

Remsen, IA

[derbyguyf16]

Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Dec 23rd, 2009, 8:39pm

i got a 80 fairmont with a 2.3 im guessing its got a electronic distributor. so when i go to a auto store what year do i ask for to get a points one??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Dec 24th, 2009, 12:13am

I believe the answer is '74 Pinto/Stang.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Dec 27th, 2009, 10:54am

should i get the single or dual vaccum adv also what coil should i get a stock replace ment or the prtronix 40,000 volt one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 27th, 2009, 10:56am

Any derby motor i've ever ran with a vac. advance dist. I have always left it unplugged.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Dec 27th, 2009, 11:00am

what type of coil did you run

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 27th, 2009, 11:03am

If your gonna run a stock distributor a stock replacement coil will be just fine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Dec 27th, 2009, 11:11am

it will be fine im sure but will you get better preformance with a higher voltage coil
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Dec 27th, 2009, 11:58am

Imo, if the head, distributor and carb are bone stock, the difference that spendy ignition parts will make will not be noticable and would be too insignifigant to justify the extra $$$.

On my stock 2.3....even with a bigger carb (2 bbl MotoCraft from a 302), I use stock ignition parts.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cargod34 on Dec 27th, 2009, 12:42pm

are any of you guys running a 500cfm Rochester...if you are what jets are you running w/ a small solid lifter and ported head and intake....i'm just looking for a good starting point...will probably use a points dis with an ignitor...top of the rpm band should be 6-6500...i have the 2G and i was looking to save alittle money but i know the holley and motorcraft bolts up but or should i just go w/ one of them...
thanks for the help
brian
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Dec 29th, 2009, 09:17am

on Dec 27th, 2009, 11:11am, cchhrriiss wrote:it will be fine im sure but will you get better preformance with a higher voltage coil



I have the Ignitor II and the Flame Thrower Coil thats goes with it. Went to put it on and my buddy twisted off one of the posts on the coil So I didnt run that set up yet I still need to order a new coil.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 29th, 2009, 11:25am

on Dec 29th, 2009, 09:17am, skiprip wrote:I have the Ignitor II and the Flame Thrower Coil thats goes with it. Went to put it on and my buddy twisted off one of the posts on the coil So I didnt run that set up yet I still need to order a new coil.



you better give Hercules a nut driver to tighten that little 1/4 inch nut next time
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Dec 29th, 2009, 3:03pm

on Dec 29th, 2009, 11:25am, SNB77 wrote:

you better give Hercules a nut driver to tighten that little 1/4 inch nut next time



I did and its not like he's a Ratard either I think it was a factory defect, where it broke it looked miscolored like it had already been cracked, but its not worth the fight with pertronix. I'll just have to get a new one and install it myself.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 29th, 2009, 3:35pm

on Dec 29th, 2009, 3:03pm, skiprip wrote:I did and its not like he's a Ratard either I think it was a factory defect, where it broke it looked miscolored like it had already been cracked, but its not worth the fight with pertronix. I'll just have to get a new one and install it myself.



I've seen some crusty brittle coils. Most factory ones are ok, but I've seen a few aftermarket companies where the quality just isnt there. Was this coil that broke used?

WTF is a ratard Sorry had to ask
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Dec 30th, 2009, 07:10am

No the coil was brand new and I meant to spell ratard that way . www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNsYBWzMo8
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Dec 30th, 2009, 09:29am

I see
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jan 4th, 2010, 12:31pm

What is everyones opinion on porting/polishing the head vs. just polishing the head and maybe porting the lower intake? Is any of it worth the time for a demo engine? My lower intake is already polished some what.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 4th, 2010, 12:37pm

my head and efi intake are ported and polished.. pretty much just gasket matched on the head and the intake is way ground out... i think it helped..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jan 4th, 2010, 1:10pm

Thanks thats what I had in mind as well. Hoggin out the intake and just minor work on the head I've seen some fairly exstensive work some guys do for the turbo engines but didn't know what would have the biggest return vs. input
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 4th, 2010, 8:28pm

I was one of those guys with extensive work done to a turbo 2.3 Parts made their way to my derby car. One of which is the lower half of the efi manifold which i had extrude hone when it was on my turbo motor. Here is a small article on extrude honing if your not sure what it is all about

Essentially extrude honing is a process where a relatively thick paste-like compound having a lot of abrasive material in it is forced through passages, just like those in cylinder heads and intake runners, to smooth them out. As such the process can, with a fine media, be set up to remove little more than just a mildly rough surface finish or using a course media significantly more material. As simple as this process is it does not replace the need for any heavy porting that may be called for to make gross corrections of a port. What it can do is to rework the surfaces and any rough/jagged edges of an otherwise inaccessible port runner.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Derby1147 on Jan 4th, 2010, 8:47pm

imo.. heck with tryin to sink a million bucks in a 2.3 just get a 2.3 put a good carb on it tune up there ya go run like a champ
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 5th, 2010, 10:03am

on Jan 4th, 2010, 8:47pm, Derby1147 wrote:imo.. heck with tryin to sink a million bucks in a 2.3 just get a 2.3 put a good carb on it tune up there ya go run like a champ



May run good....but not like a champ
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 5th, 2010, 6:37pm

on Jan 5th, 2010, 10:03am, SNB77 wrote:May run good....but not like a champ


i second that...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by joe25 on Jan 5th, 2010, 7:02pm

i always run a stock motor rarely placed any worse than third any time i didnt do well was my falt not the motors take care of the motors and they will last a long tim stock if your a good enough driver you dont have to have a built motor jmo
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 5th, 2010, 8:54pm

you dont have to have a crazy motor... but once you drive a car with one in it.. its a blast.. and besides its funny watchin people try to run from it...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jan 5th, 2010, 9:46pm

I need some help I've got a 92 ranger motor with an 84 d port head I put the roller cam lifters and followers out of the 92 head the problem is that every time I get it timed it will start and run for 30 seconds and then it will jump time I ran the motor in a derby and it ran good through most of the heat and broke the belt I put a new belt on it and now it wont stay timed any suggestions all help will be great
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 6th, 2010, 12:23am

on Jan 5th, 2010, 7:02pm, joe25 wrote:i always run a stock motor rarely placed any worse than third any time i didnt do well was my falt not the motors take care of the motors and they will last a long tim stock if your a good enough driver you dont have to have a built motor jmo



I've run both stock and highly modified. Running a stock 2.3 is extremely over-rated My modified motor actually runs cooler than any stock one i've ran. Not to mention the way they sound at 7600-7800rpms
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by joe25 on Jan 6th, 2010, 4:49pm

that may be true but a stock motor will last me longer than a built one would when you have to pay 300-500 dollars to build your motors i pay 50 dollars for a motor and spend the rest on more cars im just sayin you dont have to put that much money on them to run and be competetively save your money and buy cars
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 6th, 2010, 6:25pm

on Jan 6th, 2010, 4:49pm, joe25 wrote:that may be true but a stock motor will last me longer than a built one would when you have to pay 300-500 dollars to build your motors i pay 50 dollars for a motor



Saying a stcok 2.3 will last longer than a built one is quite a statement....i'm gonna have to disagree. I have never replaced a single hard part on my motor and i built it in 2000....only thing I have replaced is a head gasket. I also wish it was only $300-$500 to build mine....that would be just great
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 6th, 2010, 7:38pm

multiply that number by about 10-15 and you are getting closer to the right price range...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 6th, 2010, 8:05pm

The cylinder walls on a stock 2300 are thin... I have read that it is not safe to go more than .030 bore. I run a stock 2.3 e.f.i. with 4:10's and I push cars around on the track. I think a stock motor with a good set of gears is the way to go.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Jan 6th, 2010, 8:20pm

Boring them is not how to make power on a 2.3, you run EFI, do you have any problem with it and how hard is it to trasfer from car to car. I would think that a carbed 2.3 which is what I run would be a he11 of a alot simpler and more reliable.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 6th, 2010, 8:39pm

on Jan 6th, 2010, 8:05pm, Clowes98 wrote:The cylinder walls on a stock 2300 are thin... I have read that it is not safe to go more than .030 bore. I run a stock 2.3 e.f.i. with 4:10's and I push cars around on the track. I think a stock motor with a good set of gears is the way to go.



Yes they are thin. I personally have .020 over JE pistons in mine and wouldnt go over that....unless i had and SVO tall deck block that is
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 8th, 2010, 08:55am

When my car stops moving it's never a motor issue . Once you have it set up, change over is simple. My wiring harness is just bigger than yours would be.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 8th, 2010, 5:05pm

all of my motors are .030 over.. havent had a problem yet... the power is built in the head and strokin them helps a bit too
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 8th, 2010, 5:34pm

Im boring it .040 over. Ive ran a stock 92 bottom end in my mini rod for the past 4 years and its held up just fine. I figured after turning 8000 rpm under load for 4 years i could finally do some work with it and see if i cant squeeze more out.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 8th, 2010, 6:27pm

Be careful going .040, I've read a lot of stuff that says .030 is the limit because the cylinder walls are to thin and if it gets hot they will warp
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 8th, 2010, 6:38pm

on Jan 8th, 2010, 5:34pm, kdh01 wrote:Im boring it .040 over. Ive ran a stock 92 bottom end in my mini rod for the past 4 years and its held up just fine. I figured after turning 8000 rpm under load for 4 years i could finally do some work with it and see if i cant squeeze more out.



Going .040 over isnt worth the 3 or so hp you would gain. You would be better off starting with a different block and going .020 or .030 over.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 9th, 2010, 1:25pm

Well we are going to leave the bottom end right now alone because there is no blow by or anything and we know it can hold up to the rpms so we are going to work over another block. We are also putting in 5.7 rods with keith black pistons. After we did the head lastyear we were just shy of 13:1 compression.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 9th, 2010, 1:30pm

on Jan 8th, 2010, 6:27pm, Clowes98 wrote:Be careful going .040, I've read a lot of stuff that says .030 is the limit because the cylinder walls are to thin and if it gets hot they will warp



Well this isnt a derby motor so it doesnt have to run for 15 minutes getting hot...it runs for maybe 5 minutes tops and 4 of that is at an idle, but im not saying the cylinders wont warp. The guy buildingthe motor for me has talked to his machinist that has built many 2.3 for ministocks and he's done plenty of motors at .040
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:44pm

He probably knows more than I do about it, I just wanted to make sure you knew before you spent the cash
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 9th, 2010, 4:22pm

on Jan 9th, 2010, 2:44pm, Clowes98 wrote:He probably knows more than I do about it, I just wanted to make sure you knew before you spent the cash



thanks for caring lol
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 10th, 2010, 01:12am

I know it gets costly to build. I have a 512 cu. in. 440 in my mud truck
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 10th, 2010, 11:35am

i just put a points distribitor in my 8o fairtmont 2.3 and i cant get it to run it will fire because a flame will come out the stack but i turn the distributor and it still wont any hints i got the plug wires on the same way they came off the old distributor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Jan 10th, 2010, 3:48pm

sounds like it is out of time to me, but hard to tell without seeing it or hearing it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 10th, 2010, 4:04pm

yea just keep playing with the timing, you might have to move your wires over one way or the other on the distributor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 10th, 2010, 4:54pm

Rotor points at #1 when crank is at TDC, sounds like you are 180 degrees out
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 10th, 2010, 6:41pm

how are the cylinders number 1234 from the front to the back?? and whats the firing order
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 10th, 2010, 6:45pm

front to back 1,3,4,2
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 10th, 2010, 10:48pm

on Jan 10th, 2010, 6:45pm, C4 wrote:front to back 1,3,4,2


this is how they are from the front or thats the firing order
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 10th, 2010, 11:02pm

on Jan 10th, 2010, 10:48pm, cchhrriiss wrote:this is how they are from the front or thats the firing order




1-3-4-2 is the firing order

front of the motor is 1......back is 4
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 11th, 2010, 08:41am

thats what i thought just making sure thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 12th, 2010, 6:32pm

Start on page one of this thread and read on.....most of your questions are already answered
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 13th, 2010, 7:06pm

ok i got it to run but when it runs it runs wide open and the throttle aint stuck?? its a holley 2bbl it was on the car when i got it any ideas
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 13th, 2010, 10:13pm

MONSTER vacuum leak?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 13th, 2010, 10:24pm

on Jan 13th, 2010, 10:13pm, C4 wrote:MONSTER vacuum leak?



If the throttles not stuck open, like he says, it must be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R vac leak
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 14th, 2010, 5:41pm

should i just plug all the holes around and on the carb
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 14th, 2010, 7:05pm

You didn't do that before firing it up Little hard to start, was it? To wrap up that high, it would almost have to have a huge hole in the intake, or not have the carb bolted down...I would think.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 14th, 2010, 8:15pm

if all the carb holes are open... thats a monster leak... cap them all off and try again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 17th, 2010, 7:26pm

i was looking down the carb and moving the throttle i noticed the to plates on the bottm i dont know what there called but they let more or less fuel in . 1 dont close all the way it stays open about a 1/8th inch and the other on is open almost all the way?? what should i do get a different carb or what could be wrong with it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 17th, 2010, 8:13pm

Those would be the throttle plates. Looks like the throttle is stuck after all.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 17th, 2010, 8:22pm

would it be stuck in the carb then because i the throttle cable moves fine would i have to take the carb off and fix it or just reach down in there and free it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Jan 17th, 2010, 8:52pm

what kinda carb are you workin with>?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 17th, 2010, 10:03pm

its a holley 2 bbl it was on the motor when i got it i rebuilt it but never touched the throttle plates
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 18th, 2010, 06:41am

Without actually seeing the carb i dont know what to tell you besides to try a different one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 18th, 2010, 12:23pm

They are stuck open for a reason. Don't just try to force them closed....gonna have to tear into it & figure out why they are jambed.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Jan 18th, 2010, 12:29pm

x2^^ with c4 i forced them shut once and broke something and then had to buy a new carb
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Jan 18th, 2010, 4:07pm

do you have a spacer under the carb if you don't have enough space the throttle linkage may be hitting the intake pull the carb off and see if the throttle plates close all the way
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 18th, 2010, 5:29pm

ill take it off and see what happens thanks guys
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 18th, 2010, 6:09pm

i think i figured it out theres a little spring that holds one plate shut and its not on the so it was staying open all the time now i gotta get a sprig then it should work. should one plate stay open a little bit tho?? one side is open a bit im guess thats how it should be??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 19th, 2010, 12:21am

They should be the same.

Is a twisted throttle shaft perhaps the cause of the missing return spring?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by HUHN137 on Jan 19th, 2010, 11:32am

how would i get more power out of a 2.3 without spendig to much??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 19th, 2010, 6:18pm

it runs beter now but sounds reall fuff i just pour gas in the carb i did have the fuel pump hooked up but it didnt do anything. do you guys run a return or just block it off??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 21st, 2010, 05:38am

For more power cheap... just get a good set of gears
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Jan 23rd, 2010, 09:13am

I block off the return on mine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Jan 23rd, 2010, 09:37am

Ok I have a Dumb Question i am thinking of getting a 8plug2.3 and using the bottom head and putting a standard 2.3 4plug head on it whats the advantages and disadvantages of this
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 23rd, 2010, 1:32pm

on Jan 23rd, 2010, 09:13am, ramrod99 wrote:I block off the return on mine


thats what i planned on going just seeing what everybody thought thanks for the in put
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 23rd, 2010, 4:09pm

on Jan 23rd, 2010, 09:37am, ramrod99 wrote:Ok I have a Dumb Question i am thinking of getting a 8plug2.3 and using the bottom head and putting a standard 2.3 4plug head on it whats the advantages and disadvantages of this



The 8 plug motors have smaller crank journals but honestly i havent had any problems with that on my mini rod.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ramrod99 on Jan 23rd, 2010, 5:56pm

would it be better or worst i have one of each and heard that it made a better motor that way
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 24th, 2010, 6:00pm

I have never tried it, I know that there seems to be no power loss with a 8 plug head on a 4 plug motor so I would think it would work both ways
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by HUHN137 on Jan 25th, 2010, 12:05am

what size gears?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 25th, 2010, 1:12pm

I run 4.62 in my 8 inch
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jan 25th, 2010, 2:55pm

I like 4.56 in my 7.5.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 25th, 2010, 7:06pm

I have always ran 4:10's with a ranger 5 speed. I just bought two sets of 4:56's off e-bay for about $50 each. Hopefully they are not too low. Planning on using them in the heavier cars like fairmonts amd pacers. I get plenty of power out of my 4:10's in Mustangs
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 26th, 2010, 6:28pm

got a carb question then the car is running it pops out of the carb like pop...pop...pop...pop is it out of time cause i turn the distributor and it still does it any ideas also there is a water port off the intake under the carb should i just plug it or where should it run to
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kdh01 on Jan 27th, 2010, 8:29pm

bad valve possibly??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jan 27th, 2010, 8:49pm

on Jan 26th, 2010, 6:28pm, cchhrriiss wrote:got a carb question then the car is running it pops out of the carb like pop...pop...pop...pop is it out of time cause i turn the distributor and it still does it any ideas also there is a water port off the intake under the carb should i just plug it or where should it run to



Double check your cam timing. Might want to pull your valve cover and check if you have a cracked cam follower or a valve hanging open. Never hurts to double check your basics like firing order, fouled plug, or swap carbs.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jan 28th, 2010, 5:45pm

would it be bad to run it like it is??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Jan 28th, 2010, 5:52pm

Pull a vaccum line off... if it straightens up then you have a valve issue
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by johnpaul on Jan 30th, 2010, 8:08pm

will a manual trans off a ford 2.0 fit on a 2.3?
they both are manuals just wondering
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by HMDT22 on Jan 30th, 2010, 8:46pm

I run a 6.50 in mineon Jan 25th, 2010, 12:05am, HUHN137 wrote:what size gears?


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jan 31st, 2010, 4:45pm

you guys run a little different tranny if i remember right tho.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Feb 1st, 2010, 6:14pm

The 2.0 tranny will fit onto a 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by temke#13D on Feb 6th, 2010, 1:17pm

anybody no were the timing mark is on a 76 pinto 2.3 camshaft pulley
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by temke#13D on Feb 6th, 2010, 1:24pm

anybody?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Feb 7th, 2010, 08:30am

on Feb 6th, 2010, 1:24pm, ~PoDuNk*#13D*RaCiNg~ wrote:anybody?


its on the edge of the pulley.. normally a little dot indented in the side right next to the teeth.. if i remember right.. its been awhile.. i got is aftermarket stuff now...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 9th, 2010, 7:46pm

we found the mark got every thing lined up like it supposed to be....got fire got gas and still nothing a man wiser than me said they are very tricky to time and i believe its in the cam gear anybody on here maybe know what the problem is we r setting the cam gear to the tab? and does anyone on here know how to solve the starter gear hitting the flywheel issue
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Feb 9th, 2010, 8:34pm

The motor should at least try to start if it is close to being in time. You may be a half a turn out on the distributor

[derbyguyf16]

Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 9th, 2010, 8:56pm

one time it tried but then it never did again we r putn the rotary button on the #1 plug wire on the dist at cam at the tab all at TDC only thing we havent checked is the crank to see if its lining up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Feb 10th, 2010, 05:26am

on Feb 9th, 2010, 7:46pm, podunkracing#827 wrote:we found the mark got every thing lined up like it supposed to be....got fire got gas and still nothing a man wiser than me said they are very tricky to time and i believe its in the cam gear anybody on here maybe know what the problem is we r setting the cam gear to the tab? and does anyone on here know how to solve the starter gear hitting the flywheel issue

auto or manual? if its a manual there are different thickness of flywheel.. of course if its too thick the tranny wouldnt go on right..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Clowes98 on Feb 10th, 2010, 6:07pm

I have never had the started issue. Take the #1 plug out and use a long skinny screw driver to make sure the piston is at TDC. Turn the crank by hand until you reach TDC.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 10th, 2010, 11:20pm

thats how we been doing it clowes you guys dont think my valves could be stuck shut would ya my spark isnt blue its a lil yellow lookin have a new coil duraspark plug wires and not completely new plugs only thing i havent replaced is the distributor its self and it has a new cap and maybe not relevant but also new fuel pump
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Feb 11th, 2010, 12:55pm

Make sure you are on the right stroke it's easy to be 180 off.

[derbyguyf16]

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Feb 11th, 2010, 6:22pm

if its not grounded good and/or you left that shim plate out between the block and the tranny itll mess the starter up.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 11th, 2010, 7:14pm

if it is 180 out it will pop and back fire through the exhaust also make sure that the tensioner is good because I have one that I'm fighting now mine will start and run for a minute and then jump time so I'm guessing that mine needs a tensioner they are not that tricky to time pretty soon you'll be able to change a timing belt in the pits
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 12th, 2010, 11:40am

got the starter issue fixed the factory shim was still there but still had to put some washers behind the starter ive never had this happen on any motor ive ever seen heres an idea somebody please if they have a timing diagram of a 76 pinto 2.3 please post it so i have something to go off of i dont think the foxbody 2.3 diagram will work cus on my cam gear the timing mark is in a different spot than those my cam gear is the one with 3 peanut shaped holes not the 10 or 15 round holes like the mustangs have
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 12th, 2010, 5:24pm

the foxbody diagram will work I have a fox body cam in my pinto head and I timed it the same as the fox I think that they are all timed the same I have a pinto a fox and a ranger 2.3 and they are all timed the same if you line up the mark on the cam and the mark on the crank is on tdc and the rotor is pointing at #1 it should run if it still isn't running then there is another problem like maybe with the distributor or the coil
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 12th, 2010, 5:27pm

here is a thought are you sure it is a 2.3 and not a2.0
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 12th, 2010, 9:18pm

yeah its a 2.3 ok so let me make sure i heard this right i point the mark on the cam at the mark on the crank at TDC? cus i been putting it at the tab at TDC ive never dealt wit a 2.3 so i have no clue im bout ready to send it off to the junkyard ive been trying for about 6 months to get it going
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Feb 12th, 2010, 10:29pm

1. Rotate the engine so that No. 1 cylinder is at TDC on the compression stroke. Check that the timing marks are aligned on the camshaft and crankshaft pulleys. An access plug is provided in the cam belt cover so that the camshaft timing can be checked without removal of the cover or any other parts. Set the crankshaft to TDC by aligning the timing mark on the crank pulley with the TDC mark on the belt cover. Look through the access hole in the belt cover to make sure that the timing mark on the cam drive sprocket is lined up with the pointer on the inner belt cover.

NOTE: Always turn the engine in the normal direction of rotation. Backward rotation may cause the timing belt to jump time, due to the arrangement of the belt tensioner.


To install:
8. Install the new belt over the crankshaft sprocket and then counterclockwise over the auxiliary and camshaft sprockets, making sure the lugs on the belt properly engage the sprocket teeth on the pulleys. Be careful not to rotate the pulleys when installing the belt.
9. Release the timing belt tensioner pulley, allowing the tensioner to take up the belt slack. If the spring does not have enough tension to move the roller against the belt (belt hangs loose), it might be necessary to manually push the roller against the belt and tighten the bolt.

NOTE: The spring cannot be used to set belt tension; a wrench must be used on the tensioner assembly.

10. Rotate the crankshaft two complete turns by hand (in the normal direction of rotation) to remove the slack from the belt, then tighten the tensioner adjustment and pivot bolts to specifications. Refer to the necessary illustrations. Make sure the belt is seated properly on the pulleys and that the timing marks are still in alignment when No. 1 cylinder is again at TDC/compression.
11. Install the crankshaft pulley and belt guide.
12. Install the timing belt cover.

After you get that done pull off your distributor cap and note the position of the rotor. Put the cap back on and put the #1 plugwire on the terminal closest where the rotor was pointing. Then going clockwise do the 3, 4 and 2 plugwires. Loosen your distributor clamp and crank the engine over turning the distributor one way or the other till it starts. Have fun





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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 14th, 2010, 1:51pm

thanks man got it running good finally had to have someone else do it but it runs thanks for posting that snb im sure i will be back to check that out
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Kelbz3x on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:10am

heres my 2.3
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMy8aQWA0A
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Feb 19th, 2010, 11:16pm

took my valve cover off my 2.3 today and found a nice looking cam its got a GK on it any of u all familiar with this i look it up and far as i can tell its a comp cams thumpa or mothathumpa cam
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by -KNAPPY- on Feb 23rd, 2010, 07:56am

just bought a pinto with a 2.3 in it... the engine was all tore down ready to pull out and paint... what all does it need to run?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Feb 23rd, 2010, 10:01pm

what all do you have with the motor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by -KNAPPY- on Feb 26th, 2010, 8:28pm

well its got everything to make it run... its all just in boxes... i mean if i dont need it i dont wanna put it on...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hotrodscotty23 on Mar 1st, 2010, 10:45am

so i was wondering how much do u need to do to make the 2.3 run alcohol
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 1st, 2010, 1:54pm

I'm not sure how much it would cost but I'd say what ever it is could be invested somewhere else and help you more.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hotrodscotty23 on Mar 1st, 2010, 4:28pm

yea vary true
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 1st, 2010, 5:55pm

on Mar 1st, 2010, 10:45am, hotrodscotty23 wrote:so i was wondering how much do u need to do to make the 2.3 run alcohol


we have run mixed (alcohol/gas) in our stock motors before.. just rejet the carb.. up a size. they ran alright.. no real big difference..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 1st, 2010, 7:21pm

on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:10am, Kelbz3x wrote:heres my 2.3
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMy8aQWA0A


hey Kelbz where did you get the stroker kit or did you use a kit
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 3rd, 2010, 9:34pm

on Feb 9th, 2010, 7:46pm, podunkracing#827 wrote:we found the mark got every thing lined up like it supposed to be....got fire got gas and still nothing a man wiser than me said they are very tricky to time and i believe its in the cam gear anybody on here maybe know what the problem is we r setting the cam gear to the tab? and does anyone on here know how to solve the starter gear hitting the flywheel issue

the fix to the starter thing is dont put the flywheel on bassackwards and yes i will admit i am an idiot on this one lol and by not putting the flywheel on backerds you will also not have to drop the tranny 3 times wondering why the torque converter wont spin to line the bolt holes up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by DG15 on Mar 3rd, 2010, 10:15pm

would yall prefer a 2.3 to a buick 3.8. im fixin to build something and want to put my money in the rite spot.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 4th, 2010, 07:31am

Most guys on this thread, me included would rather use a 2.3 over any other engine.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 4th, 2010, 07:41am

on Mar 3rd, 2010, 10:15pm, DG15 wrote:would yall prefer a 2.3 to a buick 3.8. im fixin to build something and want to put my money in the rite spot.



The only Buick 3.8 that I would want is in a Grand National......those cars are sweet
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 4th, 2010, 07:42am

Very true! but no way in heck it would be put in one of my cars.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Kelbz3x on Mar 4th, 2010, 10:38am

on Mar 1st, 2010, 7:21pm, muddevil01 wrote:hey Kelbz where did you get the stroker kit or did you use a kit


there is no stroker kit, its all roller parts bored with a different kinda crank that im not allowed to say
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 4th, 2010, 11:23am

I know what crank to use I was just trying to figure out what pistons you used because I had heard that if you have had a lot of head work done that aftermarket pistons were needed due to clearance issues I already have a block crank and rods my problem is what pistons to use if you don't want to post details you can pm them to me thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 4th, 2010, 9:02pm

on Mar 4th, 2010, 11:23am, muddevil01 wrote:I know what crank to use I was just trying to figure out what pistons you used because I had heard that if you have had a lot of head work done that aftermarket pistons were needed due to clearance issues I already have a block crank and rods my problem is what pistons to use if you don't want to post details you can pm them to me thanks

im not ashamed to say i built the hp i do with $27 dollar a hole pistons from the parts store.. lol
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 5th, 2010, 1:51pm

on Mar 4th, 2010, 9:02pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:im not ashamed to say i built the hp i do with $27 dollar a hole pistons from the parts store.. lol

is yours stroked Brent I'm just getting started on this project and I want to make sure that I'm headed in the right direction so any help would be great if you don't want to post it here you can pm me I haven't found alot of info. on this so I'm trying to go on info. from someone with a proven setup
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 5th, 2010, 7:07pm

na i'm running a stock crank... no stroke.. cheap pistons... just bored .030 over... power is in the head... i guess you could say i have a proven setup. not what most people expect tho..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 6th, 2010, 08:13am

on Mar 5th, 2010, 7:07pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:power is in the head.....



x2
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 6th, 2010, 11:01am

the only thing major done to my block is the mains are studded and strapped and all the bolts are hardened.. i have the billet intermediate shaft but other than that nothing too fancy..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 6th, 2010, 2:28pm

in my 2.3 when i take the coil off it turns over fast think i think it should but when i hook the coil back up it acts like the battery is dead and turns over hard and takes forever to start then when it does it runs hard and smokes black any idea what might be wrong?? also i have a auto 2.3 the one im talking about and a manual will the tranny from the auto bolt to the motor with a stick??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Mar 6th, 2010, 3:42pm

I could be wrong have been many times before but I dont think it is gonna run without a coil, you need spark and need it to be hooked up to fire. Correct me if I am wrong on this because I have messed with these for years.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 6th, 2010, 7:14pm

you are right but im saying wheni hook it up it turns over hard and runs ruff but i think i figured it out we took off the valve cover and one of the rockers was completely off
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 6th, 2010, 7:37pm

on Mar 6th, 2010, 11:01am, ballsdeep08 wrote:the only thing major done to my block is the mains are studded and strapped and all the bolts are hardened.. i have the billet intermediate shaft but other than that nothing too fancy..

well I have the same done to my block except mine isn't bored it is stock bore I'm wanting to build a stroker but is there enough benefit or not
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 6th, 2010, 8:02pm

on Mar 6th, 2010, 7:14pm, cchhrriiss wrote:you are right but im saying wheni hook it up it turns over hard and runs ruff but i think i figured it out we took off the valve cover and one of the rockers was completely off



If that doesnt fix your problem check your ignition timing. If its too advanced you will experience hard starting like you are describing.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 6th, 2010, 8:07pm

on Mar 6th, 2010, 7:37pm, muddevil01 wrote:well I have the same done to my block except mine isn't bored it is stock bore I'm wanting to build a stroker but is there enough benefit or not



If you put the same amount of $$ in the head, intake, carb, ignition, as you would in a stroker kit you would be way ahead.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 6th, 2010, 10:01pm

on Mar 6th, 2010, 8:07pm, SNB77 wrote:If you put the same amount of $$ in the head, intake, carb, ignition, as you would in a stroker kit you would be way ahead.


agreed... get oversized valves, dual valve springs, solid lifers, and a good cam.... the rest of your money would be best spent on a msd, holley 350cfm carb (or 4412) and if you got anymoney left do a wicked port and polish on the head and fuel injected lower intake...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 7th, 2010, 12:38am

yep its outa time mine did that turned the dist back a lil bit and it started n ran fine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 7th, 2010, 7:38pm

well that's what I was wondering that kinda helped make up my mind I've already got a 4412 msd and a mild cam now I just need to save up for the rest of the head work
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 7th, 2010, 9:20pm

what kinda cam do you guys suggest useing with stock springs and maybe a port and polish job i need a new cam mine a couple of the jurnals are chiped off
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 7th, 2010, 9:45pm

i run a lunati 42905.. my motor wont idle under 1240 rpms now.. but i like the cam..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Busted Knuckle Motorsports on Mar 8th, 2010, 2:57pm

I was wondering does anyone know if i can use a 74 pinto points distributor in a 84 tempo 2.3l well its actually a 94 but got a 84 head intake and carb on it just wondering looking to simplify as much as possible
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 8th, 2010, 7:13pm

i dont think so.. but thats just a guess...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Busted Knuckle Motorsports on Mar 8th, 2010, 7:25pm

see ive only seen pic of them side by side so i dont know from the pics i thought i could but might have to change the gear and use a longer oil pump rod
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 8th, 2010, 7:31pm

I need some help I just got my ranger motor running again from last year and I was tuning it and it just quit come to find out it toasted a cam bearing and locked the cam up I got the cam out ok and all the bearings out but 1 and I can't get it to budge is there a trick to getting them out and is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening again because cams aren't cheap
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:00pm

on Mar 7th, 2010, 9:45pm, ballsdeep08 wrote:i run a lunati 42905.. my motor wont idle under 1240 rpms now.. but i like the cam..


do you got a pretty high idle then?? do you got any other things done to the head? can you use the stock rockers and springs
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 8th, 2010, 9:17pm

on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:00pm, cchhrriiss wrote:do you got a pretty high idle then?? do you got any other things done to the head? can you use the stock rockers and springs


lol yeah 1200 rpms is a real high idle... i dunno bout stock springs or lifters..( i run dual valve springs, heat treated followers and solid lifters) and yeah i have a lot of time and money invested in my head with sbc valves, strapped cam towers, mouse traps and porting and polishing and all that good stuff...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 8th, 2010, 9:21pm

on Mar 8th, 2010, 7:31pm, muddevil01 wrote:I need some help I just got my ranger motor running again from last year and I was tuning it and it just quit come to find out it toasted a cam bearing and locked the cam up I got the cam out ok and all the bearings out but 1 and I can't get it to budge is there a trick to getting them out and is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening again because cams aren't cheap

this isnt the head you just built is it?? if so did you lose an oil pump? or were the tolerances just too tight? or is it a old motor?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 8th, 2010, 10:10pm

its an old motor it was an 8 plug motor out of a 92 ranger and I put an 84 mustang head on it it had a mild cam in it it ran good all last season and it sat over the winter I unwinterized it and put a new timing belt on because this is the motor that I had problems with losing the timing belt I started it and drove it 100 yards and the cam locked up how can I tell if the oil pump is bad with no gauge my new cam bearings will be here tomorrow so I guess we'll see
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Nearracer on Mar 9th, 2010, 07:43am

On a 78 2.3 2bbl stock, how do you do away with the wiring bs, and electric box
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 9th, 2010, 12:24pm

with a points dist out if a 74 mustang 2
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 9th, 2010, 5:32pm

how big of a cam can i run with stock head maybe a port and polish
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 9th, 2010, 7:19pm

on Mar 9th, 2010, 07:43am, Nearracer wrote:On a 78 2.3 2bbl stock, how do you do away with the wiring bs, and electric box


the duraspark is one of the best ignitions out there.. 5x more spark than points.. if you are willing to learn how to move it inside your car and wire it up.. its not hard at all
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 9th, 2010, 8:17pm

can i run the 280H comp cam with stock springs
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 9th, 2010, 9:30pm

yeah plug the duraspark up n shock yourself with it its got some pop i wouldnt run mine wit a points type
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 10th, 2010, 05:28am

on Mar 9th, 2010, 9:30pm, podunkracing#827 wrote:yeah plug the duraspark up n shock yourself with it its got some pop i wouldnt run mine wit a points type

if you think duraspark has some pop try the msd out.. i run it on my good motor... i runduraspark on all the rest of the motors..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 10th, 2010, 07:32am

Finally got a pic of my new one up. Esslinger Cam/dualspring/ported just some head work and a painted block.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 10th, 2010, 09:29am

on Mar 10th, 2010, 07:32am, skiprip wrote:Finally got a pic of my new one up. Esslinger Cam/dualspring/ported just some head work and a painted block.




Painted block?! Thats gotta be worth a few ponys JK....looks good
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Mar 10th, 2010, 09:36am

I have heard that the D port heads and intakes are better any truth I am getting ready to junk my old engine and it is a D port any advice?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 10th, 2010, 10:28am

I keep them all but I've heard that about the d-ports too.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 10th, 2010, 10:29am

Yes D-port heads are the best stock heads. Why junk it.......always good to have parts setting around.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Mar 10th, 2010, 12:27pm

on Mar 10th, 2010, 09:29am, SNB77 wrote:Painted block?! Thats gotta be worth a few ponys JK....looks good



Yeah I would have painted it some thing other than black but I didn't wanna twist of the driveshaft
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 10th, 2010, 11:55pm

where should the dist vacuum line plug up to i got mine plugged in at the back of the intake(by no4 cylinder) and also on a 1bbl what vacuum lines need to be plugged up or where do they need to be plugged into car idles a lil rough until i close the choke up a lil it may be my cam but i suspect a vacuum is wrong
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 11th, 2010, 11:43pm

don't worry about the vac. advance I don't run one and 1bbl carbs are awesome one of my main setups has a 1bbl carb. I don't know what carb you are running but on mine I plug off all of my vac. ports except for the one for the booster if it has one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 12th, 2010, 11:59pm

ok thanks devil of mud im running the factory 1bbl carb
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 14th, 2010, 8:28pm

the 1bbl that I use is off of a early to mid70s straight 6 ford truck and it is a carter and it is non electric and it is an awesome carb I can get the numbers off of mine if you can find one you will be very happy
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 14th, 2010, 10:31pm

yeah i need my own carb i am borrowing this one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by -KNAPPY- on Mar 16th, 2010, 3:15pm

i bought a 76 bobcat. the guy said that when he parked it was blowin black smoke.... he said that i just need to change all the gaskets..... wat do you all think should i fix it and derby it or just junk it and get a new motor?? thanks jordan.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 16th, 2010, 6:12pm

black smoke means that it was loading up most likely it is a carb problem most of those old pintos(bobcat) were parked due to nothing more than a bad carb I would fix it and derby it of course I am bias to the 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 16th, 2010, 7:02pm

normally if they will turn over they will run....
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 16th, 2010, 7:37pm

yep the 1 that was in our courier last year wouldn't turn over when we got it pulled the head tapped on the pistons with a dead blow new head gasket and flip the switches and away we went
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:53pm

i have 2 80 fairmonts with 2.3s im building one its mostly dun one is a 5 speed and one a auto im doin the auto one i just looked and the intake on the other and its completly different it didnt come with a carb the one im doing had a holley on it and the intake is bigger then the manual is on better or why are they different
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:08pm

is the intake different or is the spot where the carb bolts to different I think that up to 83 they had the oval port head and 83-92 had the d-port head that should be the only difference
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 23rd, 2010, 5:29pm

the spot where the carb bolts to one has studs and is smaller and the other has no studs and is huge
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 23rd, 2010, 7:44pm

I don't quite know exactly what you are saying but I think that the 1 with the smaller hole is actually the adapter plate if it is there should 4 bolts that holds plate on and it should be more spread out like the one with the holley I hope this makes sense if not if you could add pics to show what you are talking about that would help
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 23rd, 2010, 7:55pm

i know what your saying but its not a adaptor plate cause thats what i thought its just smaller than the other just wonder if i would matter what one i run
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 23rd, 2010, 9:07pm

they should run the same if the smaller hole is sort of oval with two studs then it is for a 1bbl carb and with the right carb they run great
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Mar 25th, 2010, 08:51am

on Jan 30th, 2008, 3:49pm, HitEmAgain wrote:I was wondering how you can tell the difference between a 2.0 and 2.3 pinto motor?
Also could you bolt up any c-3 or c-4 tranny to either one?

on Jan 30th, 2008, 4:37pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:2.0 has oil cap in the front on the valve cover.
2.3 cap is in the rear of the valve cover.
2.3 is quite a bit bigger block than a 2.0
the only thing that is the same on the two is the transmission bolt pattern.
2.0 bellhousings have dowels that have to be removed to be put on a 2.3.
c3 and c4 bells will bolt on either.

on Jan 30th, 2008, 7:07pm, HitEmAgain wrote:Will either tranny work the same with either motor? Do you have to change flywheel or torque converter?

on Jan 30th, 2008, 9:16pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:2.0 flywheel has a smaller bolt pattern on the flywheel.
c3 flywheel has 3 torque converter bolt holes and c4 has 4 torque converter bolt holes.
c3 torque converter has a smaller opening hole then the c4 where the fluid goes in it.
hope this helps.


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Mar 25th, 2010, 12:24pm

on Feb 10th, 2008, 9:44pm, LTmudtire05jr wrote:How do I mate a C4 tranny to a 2.3? I've heard of guys doing this before. I'm stepping up from stock 2.3's and trannies this year.

on Feb 10th, 2008, 9:49pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:c4 tranny, c4 to 2.3 bellhousing which are rare to find but can be bought on ebay and a c4 torque converter and flywheel.


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LTmudtire05jr on Mar 25th, 2010, 6:21pm

After a good friend of mine built a pretty decent 2.3 and hooked up a C4 tranny behind it last year, I am glad I never went through with that idea. Too much power was lost, IMO. A 2,500 stall converter MIGHT help out, but I'll stick with C3 and T5 tranmissions.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 25th, 2010, 9:40pm

yeah all autos rob alot of power over a manual all I run is a 3 speed or a t5 if I'm in a pinch I know some people have had good luck with autos but I never have
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Mar 26th, 2010, 10:22pm

what do you guys think of the ford 4spd manuals? they any good?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Mar 26th, 2010, 10:29pm

on Mar 26th, 2010, 10:22pm, nischeum09 wrote:what do you guys think of the ford 4spd manuals? they any good?



They tend to blow out the reverse gear.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Mar 27th, 2010, 6:39pm

wats the best carb for ur $$ to run on these?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Mar 28th, 2010, 4:19pm

i got my car running agian its a new cam but when it runs now it runs very high and didnt before i took it apart do i have a leak in the intake like under the carb?? also i have gas coming out the top of the carb not the 2 holes where the butterflys are but the like 1 inch square hole on the front top of it why would this be?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 28th, 2010, 8:07pm

on Mar 28th, 2010, 4:19pm, cchhrriiss wrote:i got my car running agian its a new cam but when it runs now it runs very high and didnt before i took it apart do i have a leak in the intake like under the carb?? also i have gas coming out the top of the carb not the 2 holes where the butterflys are but the like 1 inch square hole on the front top of it why would this be?



Float level set to high or crap stuck in float needle.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 28th, 2010, 8:12pm

on Mar 27th, 2010, 6:39pm, nischeum09 wrote:wats the best carb for ur $$ to run on these?



Holley 350cfm 2 barrel

[derbyguyf16]

Post by muddevil01 on Mar 28th, 2010, 9:41pm

where is the best place to hook up an oil pressure gauge so that I can find out if my oil pump is working I can't remember which port is used for the oil pressure sensor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 29th, 2010, 07:31am

on Mar 28th, 2010, 9:41pm, muddevil01 wrote:where is the best place to hook up an oil pressure gauge so that I can find out if my oil pump is working I can't remember which port is used for the oil pressure sensor



Intake side of the head way in the back
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 29th, 2010, 08:33am

on Mar 28th, 2010, 8:12pm, SNB77 wrote:Holley 350cfm 2 barrel


for the $$ if you are going cheap.. its hands down a motorcraft off any ol ford layin in your yard.. but if you have some dough to spend the holley 350 is def. the way to go...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 29th, 2010, 11:01am

on Mar 29th, 2010, 07:31am, SNB77 wrote:Intake side of the head way in the back

ok thats what I thought but I couldn't remember if it was the one in head or the one in the block
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Mar 29th, 2010, 3:37pm

when i rev my motor up high then let off it tries to die out it sometimes will die out but not always it will start to idle real shatty then clear up after i kinda push the gas just a lil what it going on here all vacuum lines are hooked up and have the choke unhooked with a breather on top
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 29th, 2010, 5:32pm

on Mar 29th, 2010, 08:33am, ballsdeep08 wrote:for the $$ if you are going cheap.. its hands down a motorcraft off any ol ford layin in your yard.. but if you have some dough to spend the holley 350 is def. the way to go...



Holley 350 costw $280 new. Got a used one on ebay for $125 that was prepped for circle track by Keith Dorton. Just gotta keep your eyes open for the good deals.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 29th, 2010, 5:36pm

on Mar 29th, 2010, 3:37pm, podunkracing#827 wrote:when i rev my motor up high then let off it tries to die out it sometimes will die out but not always it will start to idle real shatty then clear up after i kinda push the gas just a lil what it going on here all vacuum lines are hooked up and have the choke unhooked with a breather on top



It could be a lot of things. Ignition timing off, mixture screws way too rich or lean, float set too high, etc etc
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 29th, 2010, 9:19pm

well it looks like I have to put a new oil pump in one of my motors are there any benefits to running a high volume pump on a stock(wore out) motor or is it just a waste of time and money
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 29th, 2010, 10:35pm

i would just go with the stock one with a old motor and stock pan... just me tho.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Mar 30th, 2010, 5:55pm

What's the best size pipe to use for headers with this motor?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Mar 30th, 2010, 9:12pm

on Mar 30th, 2010, 5:55pm, nischeum09 wrote:What's the best size pipe to use for headers with this motor?



I used 1 1/2" for mine
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 30th, 2010, 11:44pm

1 1/2 for stock or 1 3/4 for built .. gonna try out the new helmet cam soon.. will get you guys some video of the motor and a lil in car in the pasture in the next couple days..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 31st, 2010, 12:21am

maybe you could get a few shots of you driving with no steering wheel cause that chit was funny
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 31st, 2010, 07:54am

on Mar 31st, 2010, 12:21am, muddevil01 wrote:maybe you could get a few shots of you driving with no steering wheel cause that chit was funny


maybe you will get a close look at how its done in emporia again... i can give you driving lessons anytime...lol
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 31st, 2010, 11:59am

yep I just got my motor problems worked out its nice to have oil pressure again as long as thing stay on track I'll be there tearing shoot up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 31st, 2010, 3:46pm

on Mar 31st, 2010, 11:59am, muddevil01 wrote:yep I just got my motor problems worked out its nice to have oil pressure again as long as thing stay on track I'll be there tearing shoot up


you ready for your ride over the berm again? i can help you out with that... haha
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Mar 31st, 2010, 10:48pm

no I'm good on that thanks anyway that was being in the wrong place at the wrong time the truck fell on its face just as that darn pacer hit me and kept shoving
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:11am

well im just bringin a "junk" lil ol foxbody... nothing special .. its time to slay some of them unbendable pacers... just come say hi at our trailer and dont get between us and the wrong cars and you should be good lol...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:16pm

i just put a holley 4412 on my motor it has a 280 comp cam but other than that its stock my question is it starts ok idles fine then i rev it up and thats fine but when im letting off it wants to die and sometimes does it acts like its getting to much gas or not enough any ideas
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 4th, 2010, 7:39pm

What do you guys do about alternator and power steering? Use um or get rid of them?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 4th, 2010, 8:41pm

no I get rid of everything except the crank pulley and the water pump pulley and just run 1 short belt
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 4th, 2010, 8:44pm

on Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:11am, ballsdeep08 wrote:well im just bringin a "junk" lil ol foxbody... nothing special .. its time to slay some of them unbendable pacers... just come say hi at our trailer and dont get between us and the wrong cars and you should be good lol...

yep will do and if you need a hand just let me know I'll be driving a "junk" ranger that bends less than the other one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 4th, 2010, 9:16pm

What size belt do you use? And how do u tighten it?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 4th, 2010, 11:36pm

I'm not sure what size it is but I will look tomorrow and let you know but it all depends on what size pulleys you have as to what belt you use and as far as tightening it you don't if you get the right size belt you can just walk it on like a bike chain and I have been running the same belt for 2 years now and it hasn't got loose yet
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Apr 5th, 2010, 7:31pm

what size jets should i run in a holley 500 cfm carb im running e 85 but im wondering what i should use for jet size
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 5th, 2010, 10:00pm

on Apr 4th, 2010, 9:16pm, nischeum09 wrote:What size belt do you use? And how do u tighten it?

the belt I use is a gates and the number is 7300 and it is on a 74 pinto motor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:23pm

Ok I was wonderin if you could get rid of the alternator and powersteering but my buddy was tellin me it wouldn't work. I'm gunna have to try that belt out. Mines in a 81 stang that I'm in the process of tryin to get runnin.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 6th, 2010, 12:16am

easiest thing to do to find the right belt is to wrap a piece of string around both pulleys and mark the string and measure it and I would add a half inch to your measurement and go to the parts store and get a belt if it doesn't fit just keep trying and tell your buddy that he is wrong I know that I am not the only running this setup but it works great for me
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 6th, 2010, 08:35am

no your not the only one....I measure by taking an extra long belt and cutting it till it fits and then go to the parts store and get one thats just a shade smaller. I end having the water pump pully off putting the belt on and then sliding the water pump pully in place and bolt it up. Thats what i do with all the motors i dyno at work too.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Apr 6th, 2010, 08:47am

I just keep trying different belts wasting gas driving to town for a new one then write down the belt I need and then end up losing whatever I write it on. I think it was like an 18" belt I run Are you two running an under-drive crank pulley? It's nice not pushing your water out at high rpms my 5/8 washer wasn't doing the job I guess so now I run both... but I haven't ran an actual radiator since I switched so maybe it still would.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 6th, 2010, 11:42am

on my good setup I run an under sized crank pulley with a washer but on the rest I just run stock pulley with a washer or a gutted t-stat I didn't notice too much difference with just a pulley swap but when I put on the crank case evac that helped alot
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 6th, 2010, 8:44pm

Should I run an alternator? I have the duraspark ignition box set up, or will I be fine with out it?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 6th, 2010, 9:07pm

you will be ok with out an alt. I never run an alt. even with an msd box just make sure you have a good battery
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on Apr 10th, 2010, 04:42am

I also never run Alt. or power steering one belt is the way to go, simple is the best rule of thumb to use derbying. It seems like everyone of mine and my buddies motors uses a slightly different size belt, string is the best way I have found to measure.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Apr 12th, 2010, 2:57pm

definitely not running an alternator anymore it screwed me last weekend im pretty sure when my battery came loose the hotwire for the duraspark hit the hotwire for the alt and fried the duraspark
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 12th, 2010, 3:47pm

Wat all components do you move inside the cab? Ignition box, cylanoid?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 12th, 2010, 10:47pm

coil but you will probably have to make a coil wire unless you can find 1 long enough I don't run selinoid because I run the starters off of the 90 and newer 2.3 they have the selinoid on the starter or I go to the nearest farm store and get a tractor starter button and then I run the battery cable from the hot side of the batt. to one side of the switch and a cable from the starter to the other side of the switch and I haven't had any trouble doing it this way I have been screwed too many times in a derby by the selinoid
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 12th, 2010, 10:55pm

I always run the older starters with the "solenoid" inside the cab
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Apr 12th, 2010, 11:50pm

on Apr 12th, 2010, 10:55pm, SNB77 wrote:I always run the older starters with the "solenoid" inside the cab


where and how do you mount it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Apr 13th, 2010, 12:18am

on Apr 12th, 2010, 11:50pm, cchhrriiss wrote:where and how do you mount it


i just weld a bolt to the front bar and then bolt it down then run a short positive to it and run the starter cable through the firewall to the starter...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Apr 13th, 2010, 07:11am

I run the new style starter IMO they seem to crank a lot better than the old ones.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 13th, 2010, 10:02am

Do the newer style starters work on the older 2.3s?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 13th, 2010, 12:47pm

just fine they bolt in just the same as the older ones and they do crank better jmo
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Apr 18th, 2010, 11:34pm

my 2.3 runs fine when it idles but when i put it in gear it has no power any ideas
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 19th, 2010, 1:41pm

sounds like the timing might be off
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Apr 19th, 2010, 6:40pm

all my timing marks are gone the cam need peice is gone and the crank pully the marks behind it are missing how can i time it like this
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on Apr 19th, 2010, 11:35pm

I would say to go to the junkyard and get a timing cover and get the whole thing front and back then you will have all of the timing marks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 20th, 2010, 08:41am

on Apr 19th, 2010, 6:40pm, cchhrriiss wrote:all my timing marks are gone the cam need peice is gone and the crank pully the marks behind it are missing how can i time it like this



This is the only way you can time a 2.3 without marks like this. Pull your #1 spark plug and find top dead center with a screwdriver. Pull your valve cover off and set your cam so that the #1 lobes are pointing up and out...kinda like a "v" Place a straight edge across the #1 cam lobes and turn cam until there is equal distance on both sides from the straight edge and the valve cover surface on the head. Install your belt and your done. If this doesnt make sense then dont try it. This is the only way to time a 2.3 (using an adjustable cam pully) especially after it has been milled, but this method will work fine on a stocker also.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 20th, 2010, 6:52pm

wheres the best place to buy a rebuild kit for my manaul 4spd tranny?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 21st, 2010, 08:51am

on Apr 20th, 2010, 6:52pm, nischeum09 wrote:wheres the best place to buy a rebuild kit for my manaul 4spd tranny?



Those are throw away trannys. Kinda like the $100 push mowers at Bomgaars.....use them till they break and throw away. Not worth fixing.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by joe25 on Apr 21st, 2010, 10:53pm

any parts store but you can probably buy another tranny cheaper than a rebuild kit the last rebuild kit i priced at orileys was 150 or 175 around here you can buy a 4 speed any were from 25 to 75 bucks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Apr 21st, 2010, 11:15pm

Plus the cost of any busted hard parts.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 21st, 2010, 11:21pm

Ok well after hearin some not so good things about this manual I think I got a 4spd auto lined up for a good price. Are those trannys very good?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 22nd, 2010, 08:54am

on Apr 21st, 2010, 11:21pm, nischeum09 wrote:Ok well after hearin some not so good things about this manual I think I got a 4spd auto lined up for a good price. Are those trannys very good?



The A4LD auto overdrive is probably the worst automatic trans ever made.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Apr 22nd, 2010, 8:01pm

what is the best tranny to use cus ive always heard good about the 4spds
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Apr 22nd, 2010, 10:05pm

The 4 speeds will shell reverse 10 times out of 10.

5 speeds (T-5) are good. 3 speeds are good.

For auto, you really want a C4, but a C3 isn't half bad either.

The 4 speed or the OD auto, I would only use if they were free, and only at a low paying show.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Apr 22nd, 2010, 11:19pm

what is the best way to tell tryings apart i pulled mine out already i have a auto but have no clue what kind i think the car was a 91. what are the best cars to pull a c4 or c3 out of
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Apr 23rd, 2010, 10:50am

A good thing for someone to post on here is what trannys came in what ford cars a llot of ppl ask that question
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Apr 25th, 2010, 11:22pm

i thought this site was to help other derbys drivers instead you have people talken what to do but wont help when some one ask a question.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Apr 26th, 2010, 08:33am

on Apr 22nd, 2010, 11:19pm, demoman86x1978 wrote:what is the best way to tell tryings apart i pulled mine out already i have a auto but have no clue what kind i think the car was a 91. what are the best cars to pull a c4 or c3 out of



Would guess a '91 would be the A4LD.....u could run it but dont expect much. What kind of '91 did your "trying" come out of?

I dont know a much about a c3 or c4 so i cant help you there. I personally have had the best luck with the T-5 5spd and a 3 spd manual.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 2nd, 2010, 9:53pm

lol i meant tranny. it came out of a 91 mustang i have another mustang now but it is a manuel trans i have not had any luck with these types of trannys. have never ran a mustang one but all the others i have used have broke to the point i could not find the gears.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 6th, 2010, 11:47pm

okay i just took apart my efi 2.3 so i can switch the head on it with one i got from a 84 ranger. one thing i noticed. i pulled the plate were the fuel pump mounts on the eif block. the efi block does not have the piece that is needed to move maneul fuel pump. do i get a electric pump or switch the shafts. how would i go about switching the shafts if i were to go that route.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on May 10th, 2010, 1:57pm

I always run an electric pump when I switch an efi motor it is easier imo
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by smash4cash23x on May 13th, 2010, 09:26am

C3 and C4 Trans are very different once you have looked at 200 ford trannys, For one the Bellhousing on a C4 will come off alone, the bellhousing on a C3 will have the pump bolted to the back of the bellhousing. A C4 is the best auto you can use without major mods on a 2.3 A bellhousing will run you at least $100 dollars for one in bad shape they are fairly rare. C3 trannys are not bad at all though make sure to run a tranny cooler and be somewhat easy on it if you can block out park it will extend the life of you tranny alot. Also pan bolts a C3 will have 13 pan bolt and a C4 will have 11 that is a easy way to tell hope it helps.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 13th, 2010, 9:28pm

Well very easy to switch out the fuel pump drive shaft. You all ready have most of stuff off to swap heads only extra 20 or so to get shaft out.

Thank u for the tip on the trans very much help full
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 14th, 2010, 2:39pm

okay guys for some reason i thought i needed the head off a 84 motor dont know why. is there any reason why i should or should not us it or just leave the efi head on there.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 14th, 2010, 4:30pm

okay i have a 84 mustang v8 auto in my yard. can i use this trans for my 2.3 please help.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on May 15th, 2010, 12:09am

on May 14th, 2010, 4:30pm, demoman86x1978 wrote:okay i have a 84 mustang v8 auto in my yard. can i use this trans for my 2.3 please help.



no
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fear27 on May 18th, 2010, 11:19pm

You guys sure badmouth the 4 speeds. I've ran mine now 10 times got second 9 times and 5th once. Same tranny. I musta just got a good one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on May 19th, 2010, 08:50am

Theres always that "one in a million" i guess
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on May 19th, 2010, 8:21pm

on May 19th, 2010, 08:50am, SNB77 wrote:Theres always that "one in a million" i guess



I'd like to find one of those
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on May 19th, 2010, 8:34pm

It's real easy to bad mouth the 4 speeds when you've been nosed up against a car or a block unable to back up and it has happened more than once I have never had that problem since I switched to a 3 speed I still have a couple of 4 speeds just because I have more motors than 3 speed setups but I will not run one in a hard show or unless I don't have any choice
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on May 21st, 2010, 2:08pm

What's the 3rd line off the fuel pump run to?it points towards the front of the carm Is it a return line or another line that needs to be ran to the carb??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 21st, 2010, 3:58pm

MORE THEN LIKEY IT IS A VAPOR LINE NOT A BIG DEAL. ONE SHOULD BE RETURN AND THEN FUEL AND THEN VAPOR OR VACUME LINE. BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 21st, 2010, 4:00pm

OKAY I HAVE A STICK TRANS UNDER MY CAR SO THE FLYWHEEL HAS TO BE CHANGED CAN I USE ANY 2.3 AUTOMATIC FLY WHEEL IF I FIND A C4 OR C3.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 21st, 2010, 5:32pm

does any one know if some one makes a shifter these cars
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy12Horse on May 21st, 2010, 6:46pm

when you convert a fuel injected to carb is there any vacuum on the motor to run my brake booster too?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on May 21st, 2010, 7:56pm

it depends on what your setup is there is a port on the top of the carbed intake towards the back and most of the carb spacers have a vacuum port on them either one would work for the booster
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on May 22nd, 2010, 8:36pm

on May 21st, 2010, 3:58pm, demoman86x1978 wrote:MORE THEN LIKEY IT IS A VAPOR LINE NOT A BIG DEAL. ONE SHOULD BE RETURN AND THEN FUEL AND THEN VAPOR OR VACUME LINE. BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN


the line is shooting fuel though do these motors need a return line back to the tank?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 23rd, 2010, 12:34am

yes there is always a return line.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on May 23rd, 2010, 8:58pm

we always plug our return lines on all of our mech. pumps never had a problem
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on May 24th, 2010, 2:02pm

you can plug it but you run into the risk of flooding the carb if the extra fuel has no were to go. not all the time i have pluged them to but you will get the one that does not like it pluged
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil01 on May 24th, 2010, 9:41pm

I have never had one flood by plugging the return but if you are worried about it then run another line all the way back to the tank drill and thread in a nipple but if you ask me it is twice the fuel line and twice the headache I have ran returns on fuel injected cars but it's your call
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by staple66 on Jun 9th, 2010, 1:22pm

Been looking for the wiring diagram for the 2.3. I know its on here somewhere but cant seem to find the page. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Jun 9th, 2010, 3:10pm

What vacuum lines do you need to keep on this motor?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 12th, 2010, 11:17am

on Jun 9th, 2010, 1:22pm, staple66 wrote:Been looking for the wiring diagram for the 2.3. I know its on here somewhere but cant seem to find the page. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.



Look in the THREAD LOCATOR at the top of the page....it is there
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 12th, 2010, 11:21am

on Jun 9th, 2010, 3:10pm, nischeum09 wrote:What vacuum lines do you need to keep on this motor?



Only the ones you choose to keep....pcv, vac modulator, vac advance, power brake......you can keep all of them or none of them. I like to keep vacuum advance and power brakes (if so equipped)......pcv can run to the exhaust
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Jun 12th, 2010, 10:53pm

ok guys, need some help. Got a 2.3 ran a few weeks ago in 2 derbies. Went to go fire it up today and it wouldn't bother to crank or nothing. Its wired up on a tfi, no brain box or anything. Only way i could get it to start is to take a wire from the solenoid on the starter side straight to the battery. I don't think its the solenoid, bc when it messed up last time I could jump the it and it would start. Any ideas as to what it could be?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 13th, 2010, 01:10am

Step one...ditch the tfi...get points or duraspark. Step 2, check out the 2.3 wiring diagram thread.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Jun 13th, 2010, 12:15pm

I know how to wire it up. I dont think its in the wiring but something simple.

[derbyguyf16]

Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Jun 13th, 2010, 12:34pm

you solenoid is prolly sticking walton
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jun 13th, 2010, 10:10pm

on Jun 9th, 2010, 1:22pm, staple66 wrote:Been looking for the wiring diagram for the 2.3. I know its on here somewhere but cant seem to find the page. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.


i beleive its on page 6 of the wiring thread its page 5 or 6
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Drury 74P on Jun 13th, 2010, 10:59pm

does anyone have a part number or length of a belt for running just a water pump? i know it was on here but cant find it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Jun 13th, 2010, 11:06pm

at autozone i think its 15305
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Jun 13th, 2010, 11:07pm

on Jun 13th, 2010, 12:34pm, podunkracing#827 wrote:you solenoid is prolly sticking walton


Sure was, pulled one off a crown vic and it fired right up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Jun 20th, 2010, 8:46pm

what would be causing my torque converter to be coming loose? ive had to tighten it three times and after the derby last night it feels like its came loose again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 20th, 2010, 11:18pm

on Jun 20th, 2010, 8:46pm, nischeum09 wrote:what would be causing my torque converter to be coming loose? ive had to tighten it three times and after the derby last night it feels like its came loose again



You talking about the torque converter to flex plate bolts? If so, put a little loc-tite on the threads.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Jun 30th, 2010, 10:22am

There any differnce between a mustang 2.3 and a pinto 2.3? I am running one out of a pinto and have a extra mustang one tht is all tore apart. Was wondering if there is any parts from the stang motor I should put on the pinto motor to make it better, head, intake, etc
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by AZZKIKR on Jul 3rd, 2010, 9:58pm

What size jets do you use on your holley carbs on the 2.3?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by driver4n on Jul 7th, 2010, 12:46pm

Alright guys, how well do these 2.3's handle the heat? Considering not running a radiator this year and just looping the lines. Any opinions on this?

Thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jul 7th, 2010, 1:31pm

It all depends on how long your heat is. I wouldn't recommend it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by driver4n on Jul 7th, 2010, 9:02pm

I'm sure it will be a one shot deal. maybe 20 minutes at the longest. Never done it before, was a little leery of it so I thought i'd ask.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jul 8th, 2010, 09:41am

If you don't care about the engine go for it. I ran one I think was 28 min or so didn't quit until it was down to the last 2 cars some sort of radiator and I would have had a decent chance at first.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jul 8th, 2010, 10:38pm

Watching my own video, well into feature, I lost a rad hose. Ran decent for 8 minutes after that for the win. Was still running good when I shut it off. Don't know if I'd wanna risk much more than that.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by driver4n on Jul 9th, 2010, 01:30am

Haha, alright guys, thanks for the help. Probably will just run a radiator. I had an "idea," But you know how that goes.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Jul 11th, 2010, 10:28pm

i would run it mine has a pinhole good 5 to 10 on the track n its almost dry but my motor runs better hot so i like it but i def fill it up before i pull on the track i would run the rad dude
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 17th, 2010, 1:02pm

got a holley 500 carb thats running e85 for my 318 and wanna put it on my 2.3 what size jets do you guys use its got a 280 comp cam other than that pretty stock. it will be run on gas not e85
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 18th, 2010, 9:07pm

i just bought a holley 350 cfm with #68 jets will these be pretty good for a 2.3 with a 280 comp cam and new springs other than that stock
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 19th, 2010, 10:21am

Might be a little on the rich side
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 19th, 2010, 7:13pm

do you think i can lean it down with the fuel air screws
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Jul 20th, 2010, 08:53am

ok so quick question do most part from a 2.0 interchange wit 2.3's
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 20th, 2010, 09:35am

on Jul 19th, 2010, 7:13pm, cchhrriiss wrote:do you think i can lean it down with the fuel air screws



Wont know until you try.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 20th, 2010, 09:40am

on Jul 20th, 2010, 08:53am, podunkracing#827 wrote:ok so quick question do most part from a 2.0 interchange wit 2.3's



Other way around. Most parts do not interchange, but some do. Which parts do you need for which motor?


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by undunked_D827 on Jul 20th, 2010, 4:58pm

o i was jus wondering someone told me that my intake was off a 2.0 cus its got the 4 circle ports
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by timjssn_69xl on Jul 25th, 2010, 6:11pm

how hard is it to replace the torque converter bolts? or should i look for another bell housing for it just woundering cause before i buy a pre ran pinto...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 27th, 2010, 7:41pm

put on my 350 holley carb it starts and idles fine but when i put it in gear it dont want to run it just kinda dies unles i hold the pedal to the floor then wen it starts agian after it dies it smokes black is my timing off or what
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jul 27th, 2010, 11:49pm

sounds too rich?
your running an auto tranny im guessing?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 28th, 2010, 6:25pm

yeah auto tranny its got 68 jets in it it has a bigger cam also
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 28th, 2010, 9:56pm

what size jet do you suggest in a holley 350 im thinking of going to like 58s it has 68s
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Jul 28th, 2010, 10:34pm

I run 64's in mine with the power valve blocked off
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cchhrriiss on Jul 29th, 2010, 6:30pm

im not to carb smart how do you block of the power valve and what does it do
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by monk38 on Aug 2nd, 2010, 10:17pm

I have a 2.3 that really won't idle well, it also hesitates under load, the choke plates are off the carb, but if I partially cover it with my hand It gains rpms and idles perfectly. what do I have going on?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Aug 2nd, 2010, 10:46pm

u got a vacuum leak probably under the carb. spray some ether around everything and see where it revs up at.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by staple66 on Aug 4th, 2010, 11:47am

Just wondering what runs the mechanical fuel pump on the 2.3. I removed the pump and bolted cover over spot for fuel pump. forgot to check if there is a rod I need to remove.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Aug 4th, 2010, 12:57pm

Nope you're good.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by staple66 on Aug 4th, 2010, 3:12pm

Thanks skip
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kyle882006 on Aug 6th, 2010, 6:40pm

running a stock 2.3 seems to idle fine and rev up and sounds really tune but when I put it in gear it just bogs and chugs along..anyone know why
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on Aug 9th, 2010, 6:45pm

Ok guys i got a stock 2.3 that im gonna build up mild next year and im wondering which carb to get.. A holley 350 or a 500?? Which would be the one u all recomend.. Thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kyle882006 on Aug 10th, 2010, 01:32am

hey matt hows it been..gettin ready to run that pinto wagon you sold me this spring..its a beast. Let me know when ur gonna sell that driver haha
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on Aug 10th, 2010, 09:15am

Yea i see your working out sum bugs.. What do you think of your first rwd compact car.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kyle882006 on Aug 10th, 2010, 12:17pm

I'm itching to drive it... didn't get to run it in my fair show cuz of the bug..so I'm doin my local fall show ...ill get some pics of it when she's done
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Aug 19th, 2010, 6:19pm

okay i finally got trans and motor back togther. i ran intoa snag again. i have a c3 trans froma 78 or 79 mustang maybe 80 cant remeber. the trans mount does line up there was a stick in the car when i pulled it out. is there a diffrence in mount between AT and MN or is the older mounts wider. i loosen the bolt on mount and slide it as far as it will go. but it is at least 1/4 to 1/2 inch off. any one else had this prob and know what i should do please help thanks.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Aug 21st, 2010, 7:09pm

Is there a good place to buy 2.3 aftermarket/performance parts?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Aug 21st, 2010, 7:25pm

Is it possible to fit a 2.3 out of something like a pinto into a tempo also would it be possible to bolt the manual transmission up out of a tempo to that 2.3?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Aug 23rd, 2010, 09:08am

Anything is possible I suppose but I think a tempo 2.3 is a short block an actual 2.3 lima might be tight even if you could figure out the tranny swap. I might be wrong though.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by StressedOutPerform on Aug 23rd, 2010, 09:10am

Thanks for the info I was thinking maybe a ranger 2.3 also? is that any different? I'm just looking to steer away from fuel injection for a while I was also thinking if it would be hard to make my own manifold and run one of the carbs off of an older 2.3 would it be difficult to do so and what would one have to do to a fuel injected cars ignition to make it run switch to points?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Aug 23rd, 2010, 7:41pm

tempo is front wheel drive ranger is rear. that may be very tricky
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Aug 24th, 2010, 10:45am

tempo 2.3 is a whole different engine than any of the rear wheel drives 2.3, none of the info in this sticky really pertains to them.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Aug 25th, 2010, 10:26pm

okay i took someone advice on here not going back 20 page to find who said it. i pulled got a dis from a 76 pinto how do you wire them in it has 3 wires one is black and looks like 2 are orange or red
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil33 on Aug 28th, 2010, 12:38pm

Sounds like a duraspark, 1 black 1 orange 1 purple wire. They connect to the corresponding colors on the ignition control module.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ledhead617 on Aug 29th, 2010, 05:01am

i got a 2.3 out of an 86 ranger $50 if anyone wants it pm me
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by IN61 on Sep 7th, 2010, 3:03pm

good motors
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Sep 7th, 2010, 10:04pm

anyone got any pics the throttle linkage made for the holley carbs?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hotrodscotty23 on Sep 8th, 2010, 12:40pm

hey so i have 2.3 what should i do keep it runing on gas or make it run alcohol and what do i need to do if run alcohol and what should i do to get more power
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fresh22D on Sep 12th, 2010, 6:10pm

ive got a 86 2.3 outta a mustang. fresh rebuild. stock. switching to carb. which would be a good carb for not alot of money. and what distorber also?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Sep 21st, 2010, 10:26am

on Sep 8th, 2010, 12:40pm, hotrodscotty23 wrote:hey so i have 2.3 what should i do keep it runing on gas or make it run alcohol and what do i need to do if run alcohol and what should i do to get more power



on Sep 12th, 2010, 6:10pm, Fresh22D wrote:ive got a 86 2.3 outta a mustang. fresh rebuild. stock. switching to carb. which would be a good carb for not alot of money. and what distorber also?



I know 44 pages is a lot to read but there is dang near all the info you will need in there. What carb and distributor?? What to do to get more power?? Yep those topics are new
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Sep 27th, 2010, 9:18pm

Oh crap my head hurts
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SNB77 on Sep 28th, 2010, 08:06am

Yep.....still hurts
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Sep 29th, 2010, 10:30pm

, lol.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy-k on Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:16am

alcohol only make the motor run alot coolers dosent give you the power you think


on Sep 8th, 2010, 12:40pm, hotrodscotty23 wrote:hey so i have 2.3 what should i do keep it runing on gas or make it run alcohol and what do i need to do if run alcohol and what should i do to get more power


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Oct 4th, 2010, 12:11am

is it necessary to run the coolant line coming out of the intake? or can that be plugged?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hotrodscotty23 on Oct 5th, 2010, 12:47pm

is it worth it to make it run cooler
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Krazy-k on Oct 9th, 2010, 6:34pm

ya but why dont you just run pure cam 2 for power tho
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Oct 10th, 2010, 6:38pm

i bought a 89 driver mustang with a 2.3L 4 plug in it... is it worth building up a little?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by zack00 on Oct 17th, 2010, 9:03pm

what kind of cars could i find one of these motors in
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on Oct 17th, 2010, 9:22pm

on Oct 10th, 2010, 6:38pm, michael07zerr wrote:i bought a 89 driver mustang with a 2.3L 4 plug in it... is it worth building up a little?



Yes its worth building.. You can find the motors in 80s ranger pickups,80s mustang,pintos,mustang 2s, ect..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by zack00 on Oct 17th, 2010, 9:37pm

alright thanks..what kind of tranny will i need to use?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on Oct 18th, 2010, 2:11pm

on Oct 17th, 2010, 9:37pm, zack00 wrote:alright thanks..what kind of tranny will i need to use?



Auto: c4 is the best auto.. If not a c3 will do if thats all u got but make sure u got a good shifter it likes to jump outta park and into reverse or another gear..

Manual: 3 speed or 4 speed or t-5.. Sum people have luck with the 4 speed and t-5, others lose reverse..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by zack00 on Oct 18th, 2010, 9:37pm

Would the c4 Automatic be with the motor in a car or will I need to look for one of those separate? If so wat do they come in?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Flaw MM on Oct 21st, 2010, 12:20pm

They come in the cars xcept the 3 speed.. Any other information will be in this thread.. Goodluck..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Oct 25th, 2010, 11:32pm

flaw are you talking about a saginaw type 3 speed? and where would you find a bellhousing to fit that?
and is there any difference in the 2.3s fromthe mustang and the rangers?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Oct 26th, 2010, 5:12pm

do the efi intake make a noticable difference prepped and set up with holley 350?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by kyle882006 on Nov 1st, 2010, 01:08am

where would a vaccuum leak be? wide range question but someone who has knowledge of cars and these motors will know
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Nov 2nd, 2010, 10:31am

on Oct 26th, 2010, 5:12pm, nischeum09 wrote:do the efi intake make a noticable difference prepped and set up with holley 350?


it made a big difference on mine... mine was ported out huge and polished tho..
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Nov 2nd, 2010, 7:55pm

I had a stock ranger motor w/ efi intake and holley 500, and they turn alot more rpms for sure.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LayedBack3Fitty on Dec 14th, 2010, 2:34pm

What gear should I run behind a loose 2.3 with an 8 in rear end?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 22 on Dec 14th, 2010, 9:01pm

do any of you guys have any videos of your built 2300s?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Dec 15th, 2010, 10:54pm

on Dec 14th, 2010, 2:34pm, LayedBack3Fitty wrote:What gear should I run behind a loose 2.3 with an 8 in rear end?


just make sure u can run away from my 4.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Dec 16th, 2010, 07:45am

on Dec 15th, 2010, 10:54pm, layedback40h wrote:just make sure u can run away from my 4.3

Or just drill you head on take both or your water away and wait for that 4.3 to leave you in the middle of the track
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by koble927 on Dec 16th, 2010, 09:19am

on Dec 16th, 2010, 07:45am, skiprip wrote:Or just drill you head on take both or your water away and wait for that 4.3 to leave you in the middle of the track



X2
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hellbent09 on Dec 16th, 2010, 10:33am

ok i have a 2.0 bored .30 over that i usually run but i just got a 92 mustang that has that stupid butt 8 plug 2.3 in it. i was wondering if it would work to take the cam and lifters and shoot out of the 8 plug head and put it in a regular head for a 2.3 and put it on the motor and then change out the intake to a carbed one. what else what would you guys do? trying to build a good motor cheap as i can just for a back up just heard that the newer motor had better parts for an older motor
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by layedback40h on Dec 16th, 2010, 11:51pm

i was just messin with my lil bud timmy never ran either one of my motors i have a stroker 2.3 that just doesnt wanna run right
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by csigsdt169 on Dec 23rd, 2010, 7:25pm

would anyone be selling one
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Jan 6th, 2011, 4:43pm

okay everyone if want to run serpentine belts stlye pulleys i have finally figured out the belt number it is 305k4 fits very nice. no slack in it at all
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by 88x on Jan 18th, 2011, 11:37am

what year 2.3's do you guys prefer?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jan 31st, 2011, 9:39pm

why not leave the newer head on and use it that way.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Feb 1st, 2011, 1:50pm

on Jan 31st, 2011, 9:39pm, hvyeqop69 wrote:why not leave the newer head on and use it that way.

If you are talking about the 8 plug head then a regular intake won't bolt up that was my reasoning anyway.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by skip17 on Feb 1st, 2011, 3:16pm

I was talking about the 8 plug head, I went to modify my post and deleted it, I need to pay more attention or stop coming on here drunk, lol. Anyways my question was I got an older head and intake already for it and was wondering about switching the cam and roller setup off the 8 plug head and putting it on the other head and what peoples opinions on that was, if it was worth it or a waste of time.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by notbentframes on Feb 1st, 2011, 7:02pm

worth it
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by RamRod on Feb 3rd, 2011, 11:41pm

on Jan 6th, 2011, 4:43pm, demoman86x1978 wrote:okay everyone if want to run serpentine belts stlye pulleys i have finally figured out the belt number it is 305k4 fits very nice. no slack in it at all


do you mean running serpentinestyle pulleys just from water pump to the crank and nothing else. and if so what store you buying that number belt at.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by RamRod on Feb 3rd, 2011, 11:57pm

this has probley been talked about but. I am running a stock bottom end, i am getting the head shaved, i am buying a comp cam, but what is a good cam size to order. Need help thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Feb 8th, 2011, 1:54pm

gunna be gettin my head and intake back soon and was wondering if the stock fuel pump is gunna deliver enough fuel stock bottom end with ported head and efi intake running a holley 350 carb. also wondering how big of difference the dual valve springs make and if they would be worth the $$?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by monk38 on Mar 11th, 2011, 1:40pm

Will a coil from a 74 2.0 (points) work on a 76 2.3 with duraspark?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Mar 11th, 2011, 2:07pm

on Mar 11th, 2011, 1:40pm, monk38 wrote:Will a coil from a 74 2.0 (points) work on a 76 2.3 with duraspark?



No. The points coil won't produce nearly hot enough spark to work with duraspark.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by monk38 on Mar 11th, 2011, 4:36pm

thanks C4
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Mar 14th, 2011, 8:04pm

where does the vaccum line run from the pcv valve? can this be left unplugged or does it need to be hooked


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Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Mar 14th, 2011, 8:48pm

Is it a necessity to run a pilot bearing on the manual trans? I have heard of people who don't.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 15th, 2011, 07:09am

pcv valve can be left unhooked... and ive never ran a pilot shaft bearing with my 3speeds
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Mar 24th, 2011, 9:19pm

I just found one out of an '84 ranger that was "built up"just 1200 miles ago for $400. The only bad part is, it's .060 over. I'm not sure how built. Should I even bother?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Mar 29th, 2011, 8:54pm

on Mar 24th, 2011, 9:19pm, cycomiko wrote:I just found one out of an '84 ranger that was "built up"just 1200 miles ago for $400. The only bad part is, it's .060 over. I'm not sure how built. Should I even bother?


Any opinions?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ballsdeep08 on Mar 29th, 2011, 9:15pm

on Mar 29th, 2011, 8:54pm, cycomiko wrote:Any opinions?


there are probably 400 dollars worth of parts there possibly.... but being bored that much the cylinder walls are thin... never pushed one over .030
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fresh22D on Apr 1st, 2011, 4:16pm

this might be a dumb butt ?, but what oil u guys run in 2.3s? heard to run thinner oil so it doesnt wear the cam lobes out
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by dirtworks92 on Apr 2nd, 2011, 12:49pm

I run Amsoil, Full synthetic. It keeps the friction down in your motor and keeps it from building alot of heat. It cost a little more but well worth it. If i ran regular oil i run straight 50 weight. The hotter your motor gets the thinner your oil is and breaks down easier.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by WaltonRacinW84 on Apr 15th, 2011, 4:37pm

I searched online about ranger transmissions but it kept leading me to a no. Do u guys run the rangers 5 spd trans in stangs, pintos etc or os there a difference?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by demoman86x1978 on Apr 16th, 2011, 6:15pm

ram rod yes just water pump and crank got my belt at auto zone

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by mrchevy on Apr 17th, 2011, 11:07pm

Have a chance to get several 2.3's basically for scrap prices. Only one is a rear sump, the others front sumps. All are pre 1980. Can you change a front sump to a rear sump?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fear27 on Apr 17th, 2011, 11:53pm

on Apr 17th, 2011, 11:07pm, mrchevy wrote:Have a chance to get several 2.3's basically for scrap prices. Only one is a rear sump, the others front sumps. All are pre 1980. Can you change a front sump to a rear sump?


Yes. Anyone got a pic of the oil dipstick and tube when it is mounted?? Also unmounted ..don't know if I got the whole piece out....thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Apr 18th, 2011, 4:12pm

on Apr 15th, 2011, 4:37pm, FlirtinWithDisaster wrote:I searched online about ranger transmissions but it kept leading me to a no. Do u guys run the rangers 5 spd trans in stangs, pintos etc or is there a difference?

Yes people run ranger 5 speeds. Different spline in the clutch I believe Mustang= T5 Ranger= Mazda 5 speed in a lot of them. www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/index.php Here ya go this site has a lot of good info.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Apr 25th, 2011, 6:19pm

just got my 2.3 running again, after i converted it to carb. It is a all stock engine, with a holley 350cfm 2 barrel, procomp distributor and dec header. and a nice paint job haha.. it runs darn good...
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 25th, 2011, 9:32pm

What size jets u running?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Apr 25th, 2011, 11:05pm

I drilled them to 60's. you?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Apr 26th, 2011, 12:26am

Dumb question...........when refering to jet size, are you stating thousanths of an inch??
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Apr 26th, 2011, 09:13am

havnt got mine togther yet. should have it runnin this weekend if all goes good
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Apr 26th, 2011, 09:51am

on Apr 25th, 2011, 11:05pm, michael07zerr wrote:I drilled them to 60's. you?


Why would you drill Holley jets
I can see drilling out a motocraft because you can't change the jets.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Apr 26th, 2011, 10:03am

on Aug 10th, 2009, 6:19pm, SNB77 wrote:I run 64's with a holley 350 and 68's with a holley 500. Powervalve blocked off on both.

Here ya go.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on May 1st, 2011, 1:09pm

on Apr 26th, 2011, 12:26am, C4 wrote:Dumb question...........when refering to jet size, are you stating thousanths of an inch??


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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on May 2nd, 2011, 11:16am

Not quite. ^^^^ but for most of the jets we would be using you could almost assume that. Decent reading
books.google.com/books?id=oVZrJgU....epage&q&f=false
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on May 2nd, 2011, 6:45pm

Lot of info there. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on May 2nd, 2011, 11:37pm

becuase in my area and at the time i didnt have time to buy a set because it was one of those things like the day of the derby type situations so i drilled them out.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on May 16th, 2011, 7:09pm

got first place with mine this weekend. ran great.

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hellbent09 on May 17th, 2011, 10:26pm

ok i'm building a motor here in the near future. i have a 8 plug motor out of a 92 mustang that i was going to use and just put an older head on it. i was going to take the cam and stuff out of the 8 plug and put it into the old head. is this a no no or just a good way to build a cheap motor? what else can i do that would be decently affordable. i dont really mess with a lot of building motors so yea any help would be appreciated. i know everyone on here like the 3 speed trans. but where do you get them out of. does it matter if its a chevy, dodge, ford whatever. and i know this is a dumb question but what bellhousing will i need i usually use 4 speeds but i'm all out so i need to get some kinda new trans set up
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fresh22D on May 22nd, 2011, 6:32pm

i got question guys.....i have a 2.3 that is freshly rebuilt. its got the tfi dist. in it. I got all the wires ran, and its not getting any spark. ive tryed 3 different coils and nothing, is there something i missed? any info would be great. thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on May 22nd, 2011, 7:05pm

Not a fan of tfi ignition at all, but the module is probably fried. They die if you look at them funny.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fresh22D on May 23rd, 2011, 01:15am

the module and dist are brand new from auto zone. but those douches prolly sold me a bad one. is there anything else i could of missed?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Brandamn on May 31st, 2011, 7:34pm

so ive read thru a crap load of pages... do you guys just block off the ERG valve... what i mean is do you take it off and put a plate over it?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by hvyeqop69 on Jun 2nd, 2011, 01:11am

yes we do.


Has anyone ver ran an inline water pump on your 2.3's. i got one hooked up tonight, we will see how it does on saturday.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jun 3rd, 2011, 3:34pm

Decent reading for 2.3 guys.

www.hotrodhigh.ca/2300.html
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by derbykid747 on Jun 10th, 2011, 08:00am

if im not running a ps pump or alt what size belt do u run for crank and water pump....... a part number would be great thanks..... bo
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by Fresh22D on Jun 10th, 2011, 4:30pm

i got a one wire points dist. that one wire goes to the neg. side of the coil right? just wanna make sure i get it right b4 i hook it up. thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Jun 19th, 2011, 11:37am

Is a 355 rear gear enough for a stock 2.3?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 11:54am

on Jun 19th, 2011, 11:37am, cycomiko wrote:Is a 355 rear gear enough for a stock 2.3?



With a manual tranny, barely........with an auto, NO!
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Jun 19th, 2011, 1:41pm

Would 411's be enough? I am running a auto trans. Thanks for your help
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 2:16pm

I put 4.56 behind a completely stock 2.3 with auto. It was just enough to not be slower than the rest of the rwd manual cars on the track. I think 4.11 would still be too long unless the tracks you run are really big or really muddy. For small fast tracks, Id' step it up even steeper than 4.56.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Jun 19th, 2011, 2:38pm

hey C4 these past two derbys i have went to, one you watched from p hill on the teaser vid.. and then i went to auxvasse with the same setup and won it too.. the engine i have is running great, but to me with my manual 4 speed toploader i have behind it dont seem like i can gain enough speed... granite it was a sloppy mess, but i run 342s in my 12 bolt and was thing bout switching it to a set of 411s i have to thing that is a low enough gear for what im looking for or should i go lower. what does everyone run? Also this trans is highly modified to fit on the two three i have i had to do alot of migivering lol to make it work but its a toploader 3speed with overdrive out of a late 70s early 80s truck.
thanks

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 5:22pm

Personally, I think 4.11 is just right for the 4 speed. This year will be my first venture with the 3 speed....saginaw side loader. I don't yet know from experience, but I would think something a lil steeper would be better for the 3 speed. I'll either be using 3.45 or 4.56 with mine, depending on where my 4.56's are sitting when the time comes. It's going to a pretty good sized track. Then again, that one's gonna have a 6 in it, so I'm kinda going into untested waters all the way around with that one.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Jun 19th, 2011, 6:01pm

on Jun 19th, 2011, 2:16pm, C4 wrote:I put 4.56 behind a completely stock 2.3 with auto. It was just enough to not be slower than the rest of the rwd manual cars on the track. I think 4.11 would still be too long unless the tracks you run are really big or really muddy. For small fast tracks, Id' step it up even steeper than 4.56.


I found 4.62's on jegs for about $200. not much on ebay or craigs. Anywhere else to find gears? Thanks again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 6:53pm

JT's

Been happy with everthing I've gotten there.....a little spendy butworth it.......justdifferentials.com

His ebay prices are a little lower than his store prices.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ANTNEE PM RACEWORKS on Jun 19th, 2011, 9:18pm

Would 5.40 gear be to low in a fox body with a ford 3 speed? The 2.3 is a ranger motor with a roler cam and a efi intake.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 9:58pm

That's a lil steep for me personally, but most of our tracks are pretty big around here. Be awesome for small tracks though.I only run at one track small enough to justify that steep of gears & I won't buy them for a single annual derby.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 19th, 2011, 10:03pm

Here's some random footage of an average size track for me....5.40 is a bit steep for it I think.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf9YIJyB5kA

Edit......guess you only see the west half of the track there. It was tilled a little deeper than usual, so the dirt was soft & slow. My Mustang there, which was having vapor lock issues, because of builder error, is geared with 4.56. The brown Datsun is 110 hp & geared with 3.73.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by michael07zerr on Jun 19th, 2011, 11:49pm

okay thanks so you would go with the 411s then... And also what you have to consider is the size of tire in the rear you are running, mine are very low pro 14s so it should make it a bit "steeper" then normal.. i would say so.. The engine is stock just has a ignition system and holley carb.. ?? thanks for your alls imput
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by SkipRip on Jun 20th, 2011, 1:07pm

on Jun 19th, 2011, 9:18pm, ANTNEE PM RACEWORKS wrote:Would 5.40 gear be to low in a fox body with a ford 3 speed? The 2.3 is a ranger motor with a roler cam and a efi intake.


I've got 5.29s in mine with 23 inch tires. As long as the track isn't too muddy I think I'm gonna love it. Been tearin the heck outta my yard lol. A stock engine may not get you around really well with the 5.40 gear though. Just depends on the track really.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by ANTNEE PM RACEWORKS on Jun 20th, 2011, 11:24pm

The tires I have been thinking about buying are 26 in tall. The 2.3 is 10 or 20 over with the head milled too. My friend I got it from said it hits 7000 rpm's in the snow lol! I just might have to try it out. I got the 9in and 5.40 gear on a trade. It has a 31 spline after market axles!
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by nischeum09 on Jun 21st, 2011, 3:30pm

im runnin 410s with 13s on mine. are tracks r usualy pretty slick. motor just has carb and intake work, will go steeper with gears next time around.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Jun 22nd, 2011, 11:15pm

on Jun 19th, 2011, 2:16pm, C4 wrote:I put 4.56 behind a completely stock 2.3 with auto. It was just enough to not be slower than the rest of the rwd manual cars on the track. I think 4.11 would still be too long unless the tracks you run are really big or really muddy. For small fast tracks, Id' step it up even steeper than 4.56.


I think I just scored a center section with 4.62's and a full spool for $200. Now I need to know what to do to the head. I'm going to change all the gaskets, so I figure I might do some work to the head while its off. Stock bottom end. Should I just shave 20-30 thousands off, a little port and polish, and mild cam? Thanks again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 22nd, 2011, 11:21pm

I have not yet personally rebuilt a 2.3, but when I do, you can bet your bottomdollar, I'll be reading the last 50 pages closely. There are alot of good tips in here.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by cycomiko on Jun 23rd, 2011, 07:13am

on Jun 22nd, 2011, 11:21pm, C4 wrote:I have not yet personally rebuilt a 2.3, but when I do, you can bet your bottomdollar, I'll be reading the last 50 pages closely. There are alot of good tips in here.


That's pretty much what I got from reading the 50 pages. I just wanted to know if anyone else had any input. THanks again
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jun 28th, 2011, 10:12pm

fixed
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clharper93 on Jul 5th, 2011, 10:28pm

What year ranger do the starters with the solenoid come on?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by muddevil33 on Jul 7th, 2011, 10:56am

on Jul 5th, 2011, 10:28pm, clharper93 wrote:What year ranger do the starters with the solenoid come on?



92-93 mustang, 91-97 ranger w/ 2.3, and 98-01 ranger w/ 2.5.
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clharper93 on Jul 7th, 2011, 10:23pm

on Jul 7th, 2011, 10:56am, muddevil33 wrote:92-93 mustang, 91-97 ranger w/ 2.3, and 98-01 ranger w/ 2.5.


Thankyou sir
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:44am

Where can i get a good 2bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:44am

Where can i get a good 2bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:45am

Where can i get a good 2 bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:50am

Where can I get a good 2 bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:51am

Where can I get a good 2 bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:51am

Where can I get a good 2 bbl carb for a 1980 2.3
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by jmac65 on Jul 24th, 2011, 12:53am

where can i get a good 2bbl 1980 2.3 carb

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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by LD50 on Jul 26th, 2011, 9:28pm

Okay quick question, I started the 2.3 up in my pinto I bought and ran it for a while and it all of sudden started to tick, pulled the oil sending unit to make sure it had oil reaching it and it did as for how much pressure I have no idea. My question is would I more likely be looking at rod bearings or lifters? It sounds like its out of the top end but I haven't, opened it up to check it out yet. Was wondering if anyone else had a problem with one of these motors doing that after setting for a few years?
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by clharper93 on Jul 26th, 2011, 10:21pm

I need a spacer for my holley 350 carb, Any good ideas, or a good place to buy one without breaking the bank like the one on speedway. Thanks
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Re: How to build a 2.3!
Post by C4 on Jul 26th, 2011, 10:41pm

EGR valve plate out from under any 70's/80's Ford 2 bbl will work. Remove the valve & plate the holes. They are about 3/4" thick.

[Casey Jones]

thanks for the info

[derbyguyf16]

I am guessing this post got me kicked off wecrash lol i can't log in now

[Casey Jones]

wow!