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« Thread Started on Aug 17, 2011, 2:41pm »
does any one have tips on what to do to gremlins
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Re: amc gremlin tips
« Reply #1 on Aug 17, 2011, 2:56pm »
3 biggest things I've learned with mine...
Replace the rag joint with a u-joint....they will bend right behing the steering gear & rip that rag right right out. I don't know when or if they switched to rack & pinion. U-joint off an Astro van column has the right splines to mate to the Gremlin box.
Chain the humps. There is a fairly stiff plate under the floor right above the rear axles that works well for it.
If you can do it....weld the lower core support to the frame, or it will rip out.
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Re: amc gremlin tips
« Reply #2 on Aug 17, 2011, 7:09pm »
Replace ball joints and rearends. 70-73 have junk bumpers 74-76 are the years to get, AMC made them in 77-78 but they're smaller.
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« Reply #3 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:10am »
mines a 78 thanks for the tips and should i run i vary strong 2.3 i have or a 4.3 i have
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« Reply #4 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:33am »
should i put a rack and pinion on it i have one that is right size or should i leave gear box?
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« Reply #5 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:53am »
The gear box should be fine....just replace the rag joint with a u-joint
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« Reply #6 on Aug 22, 2011, 1:17pm »
ive never built one but a guy has brought the same one two years in a row to our fair and cleaned house....he runs a 4.3 with a 350 trans slip shaft and 9" ford rear end.....a sub frame fwd 4 cyl has little to no chance of beating it....
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« Reply #7 on Aug 22, 2011, 1:24pm »
Ok cool thanks for the help
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« Reply #8 on Aug 22, 2011, 2:41pm »
C4 is right. Definitely replace rag joint. If you're allowed on your 78, I'd see if you're allowed to swap the front bumper shocks out with something bigger. If you notice they are the size of a broom stick in diameter compared to a beer can on the 74-76. Even seen guys take the back straps and shocks off 74-76 GM sedans work real good.
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« Reply #9 on Aug 22, 2011, 8:36pm »
do you build these just like a pacer or?
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« Reply #10 on Aug 22, 2011, 9:19pm »
They are completely different animals, but can be built to contend with them.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 23, 2011, 10:03am »
So the nose r strong on them the back don't look to strong
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« Reply #12 on Aug 23, 2011, 1:29pm »
I have a 74 w a 1 st n 2 nd place on it. The back rolled up and I lost the bumper the first go but welded it back on and the front is bent up now. I will try to put some pics on here. The a arms are the weakest I think.
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« Reply #13 on Aug 23, 2011, 7:28pm »
I don't use anything but the nose with these things. but I don't drive like a genuis either. just aim for tires and your car won't break. With the front suspension welded up you'll be bending/breaking tie rods, A arms, rear ends when you hit people.
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« Reply #14 on Aug 23, 2011, 7:34pm »
Almost forgot. Just finished with building my 75 I'll see if I can take some pics tomorrow before I get it painted.
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« Reply #15 on Aug 24, 2011, 8:00am »
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« Reply #16 on Aug 25, 2011, 7:26pm »
Well I gotta wait now on the pics because there's a category 3 hurricane heading right for us
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« Reply #17 on Aug 25, 2011, 10:48pm »
Dam that sucks
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« Reply #18 on Sept 2, 2011, 4:01pm »
The tie rods look weak is there any thing u can do to them or just leave them ( they stronger then they look?)
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« Reply #19 on Sept 2, 2011, 8:31pm »
There is a guy on here that sells one piece tie rods. Where I run you gotta leave them stock.
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« Reply #20 on Sept 2, 2011, 11:11pm »
i used the front only and kinda bent my frame...probably just put it on the frame rack...Does anyone know if any other cars have a leaf spring set that will fit a gremlin??I.E. pintos? monarch size fords???mavericks?
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« Reply #21 on Sept 11, 2011, 8:21pm »
whats different from a gremlin and an eagle? picked up an eagle today and dont know what to do with it
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« Reply #22 on Sept 12, 2011, 7:19pm »
What kind of eagle
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« Reply #23 on Sept 12, 2011, 7:35pm »
a 4 wheel drive one. if i remember right an 80
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« Reply #24 on Sept 12, 2011, 8:26pm »
Yeah, they were all 4x4 with no structural differences. I think he was asking what body style. The SX4 hatch is much like a Spirit, the Kammback is much like a Gremlin or Kammback Spirit. Wagons & sedans (2 and 4 door) are much like newer Hornets or Concords. If it's a wagon or sedan, check your wheelbase. They are109 & change. Hatch back & Kammback are 97ish.
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« Reply #25 on Sept 13, 2011, 4:47pm »
ita a hatchback looking thing lol so i should build it like a spirit?
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« Reply #26 on Sept 13, 2011, 5:28pm »
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« Reply #27 on Sept 14, 2011, 12:09pm »
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« Reply #28 on Sept 16, 2011, 8:56am »
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« Reply #29 on Sept 16, 2011, 10:34am »
Ran a 80's cutlass bumper on the front... Junk. Either sticking a 80's Lincoln or 77 cutlass bumper on it next
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« Reply #30 on Sept 18, 2011, 10:21am »
so does anyone know if a pinto leaf pack will fix under a gremlin? or any other sets? like mavericks or Granada's? haven't got a response to That yet
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« Reply #31 on Sept 18, 2011, 6:49pm »
never swapped leafs but have used a 8in out of a maverick. goes right in just like the stock one. dont know if that'll help you or not
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« Reply #32 on Sept 25, 2011, 9:48am »
should i do anything with ball joints?
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« Reply #33 on Sept 26, 2011, 4:37pm »
i swap mine out with moog ball joints. kinda high priced for all 4 but better safe then sorry.
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« Reply #34 on Sept 27, 2011, 7:37am »
is this part number you use 719-K3082
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« Reply #35 on Sept 27, 2011, 2:11pm »
i cant remember. i called advanced auto, told them the year of my gremlin and they got me the ball joints. had to pay ahead though before they put my order in cause they didnt have them in stock
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« Reply #36 on Sept 27, 2011, 10:05pm »
i run 8in in all my cars...i haven't tried the leaf swap yet because of how much of a pain it is when you Don't have impact tools. it'll probly get done next year the day before some derby...
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« Reply #37 on Oct 1, 2011, 3:28pm »
78 Gremlin. been sitting since 1990
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« Reply #38 on Oct 1, 2011, 5:27pm »
WHAT A ARMS ARE BETTER GREMLIN OR PACER
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« Reply #39 on Oct 1, 2011, 5:46pm »
I've only ran gremlins so I couldn't tell you. Never had a problem with the stock onesbut ask C4 he's full of knowledge.
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« Reply #40 on Oct 1, 2011, 8:48pm »
Pacer arms are quite a bit stiffer
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« Reply #41 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:01pm »
Oct 1, 2011, 8:48pm, C4 wrote:
Pacer arms are quite a bit stiffer
You got a pacer A arm you can snap a pic of? Kind of curious on what the difference is between the two.
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« Reply #42 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:12pm »
I have a complete wheel-to-wheel sub sitting on the ground. I'll snap a pic tomorrow if I remember. That sub has abou 7-8 heats on it.One of the arms bent moderately....was able to put it in a press & bend it right back into shape & it stayed that way.
Gremlins and Eagles use the same a-arms They don't do to bad on Gremlins, but they are placed differently on Eagles because of the 4x4 spindle & front axles. Can't keep a stock a-arm in a Eagle for more than a heat or 2
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« Reply #43 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:16pm »
I don't know alot about anything, but I do know a little about alot of things ;D
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« Reply #44 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:18pm »
Oct 1, 2011, 9:12pm, C4 wrote:
I have a complete wheel-to-wheel sub sitting on the ground. I'll snap a pic tomorrow if I remember. That sub has abou 7-8 heats on it.One of the arms bent moderately....was able to put it in a press & bend it right back into shape & it stayed that way.
Gremlins and Eagles use the same a-arms They don't do to bad on Gremlins, but they are placed differently on Eagles because of the 4x4 spindle & front axles. Can't keep a stock a-arm in a Eagle for more than a heat or 2
Sweet appreciate it brother. Been drinking most of the afternoon cause my college team got whooped, and I bought another Gremlin today so all I'm doing is kicking knowledge and boozing.
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« Reply #45 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:23pm »
ok are they doin anything to fix them so they r stronger like bolting them together in speical spots or run stiff suspsion or soft suspion
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« Reply #46 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:32pm »
On top of swapping ball joints, welding A arms for bumper height, I've put a 5/8 in hole thru both upper n lower A arm, put all thread thru n tightened the he'll out of it. Kind of a fail safe for A arm welds plus it gave her a redneck alignment
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« Reply #47 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:35pm »
we've been running soft suspension, even completely eliminating shocks when they break......replacing ball joints with bolts......find wheels with a negative offset so it will still roll with bent arms and repair bent arms as needed
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« Reply #48 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:43pm »
Bought moog balljoints. Haven't broke one yet, knock on wood... But if I do I'll prob do the bolt replace method
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #49 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:50pm »
I'm the zero budget derby guy. Moog is out of my grasp....I only get to look...no touchy ;D
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #50 on Oct 1, 2011, 10:02pm »
Oct 1, 2011, 9:50pm, C4 wrote:
I'm the zero budget derby guy. Moog is out of my grasp....I only get to look...no touchy ;D
After buying all 4 brand new moog ball joints.... Never again. Retarded expensive.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #51 on Oct 2, 2011, 1:32pm »
These are of a stock Pacer a-arm. I believe it would take some mods to make it fit in a Gremlin.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #52 on Oct 2, 2011, 7:52pm »
Just picked up an 84 eagle wagon, should i follow these tips or are the completely different? I plan on putting my 2.3 in it. Will the rear ends hold up in these?
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #53 on Oct 3, 2011, 5:44pm »
AMC rearends = JaaaaYunk
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #54 on Oct 4, 2011, 8:04am »
how do u replace the ball jhoints with bolts any pics thanks
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #55 on Oct 4, 2011, 9:35am »
Not much to it. Separate ball joint from spindle. Find largest diamater bolt that will fit through spindle hole. Torch matching hole through ball joint. Weld a washer on top (or bottom if it needs to be hidden) of remaining ball joint mount to stiffen it up. Insert bolt. Leave it just loose enough to not loose your range of motion. Install double nut, or lock nut to keep it from falling out.
Much cheaper than new ball joints, same amount of time, and in most cases, more effective.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #56 on Oct 13, 2011, 7:39am »
I am running a stock show, only allow a few mods, anything I can do to make the front of my 1974 gremlin take the pounding from the little fwd cars of today? Also are the fronts strong to use on these? Im told the back of the 74 gremlin is really strong and will hold up but i dont know anything about the fronts and dont want to waste this car
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #57 on Oct 13, 2011, 9:04am »
For stock rules, the '74 bumper should be decent. If you can, collapse and either weld or bolt the bumper shocks. Use as many hood bolts a you can. And replace the steering rag joint with a u-joint. There's your minimums.
And just like your fwd competitors, try to protect your wheels. Same with your rear wheels. If you are using the stock rear, the axles are not real great. If you are using the straight 6, ditch the fan for a low profile electric.
The '74 has a stiffer rear than the 73 & older, but if you don't chain the humps, you'll be disappointed.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #58 on Oct 14, 2011, 8:49am »
what u mean by chaining humps. like chain the axle?
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« Reply #59 on Oct 14, 2011, 9:39am »
Yes. Chains around rear axle and around frame, connecting the 2...nice & tight.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #60 on Oct 14, 2011, 5:27pm »
Can you reshackle the leafs instead of the 2 crappy stock bands?
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« Reply #61 on Oct 15, 2011, 12:42pm »
is it ok do go around the cross member looking thing above axle or should i go around the frame
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« Reply #62 on Oct 16, 2011, 11:51am »
^^^^^You're talking about the plate that is mounted to the underside of the "trunk" floor? I like to take out the shocks, run the chain right through where the shock was (right thru that plate), then over the frame rail, punch a hole right through the wheel well, & loop it around the axle housing, squash the back of the car down a couple inches and bolt it. Separate chains for left and right.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #63 on Oct 16, 2011, 6:01pm »
Oct 2, 2011, 1:32pm, C4 wrote:
These are of a stock Pacer a-arm. I believe it would take some mods to make it fit in a Gremlin.
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these look like they might fit a pinto or mustang 2 would they?
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #64 on Oct 16, 2011, 7:14pm »
I don't know, and I don't have a Pinto or Stang 2 to compare it to.
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« Reply #65 on Oct 17, 2011, 10:35am »
Ok thanks for the tip
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« Reply #66 on Nov 8, 2011, 1:31pm »
Local scrap yard has a 76 hornet. The body is rusty but the front bumper is solid. Are these bumpers any good and worth pulling?
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« Reply #67 on Nov 8, 2011, 5:49pm »
^^^Decent if you have to stick with compact bumpers, or for stock builds.
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« Reply #68 on Nov 29, 2011, 7:21pm »
Where should i plate on these? Im running a hornet sportabout. I have plenty of metal and I was also wondering if i should have kickers somewhere or if id just be fine doing the other things on this thread.
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« Reply #69 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:45pm »
Ok....so when you chain your humps do some of y'all just take the shocks out? Also is a newer gremlin and a spirit the same suspension wise?
Like all the front parts and the leaf springs? I have a gremlin with a couple missing parts...
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« Reply #70 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:48pm »
Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
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« Reply #71 on Dec 1, 2011, 7:00pm »
Nov 29, 2011, 10:48pm, Fear27 wrote:
Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
Measure the main leaf and tell me how long it is. Then I'll measure the stock leafs I got on the two gremlins I got.
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #72 on Dec 10, 2011, 6:37pm »
is there any way i can make the back of a 73 germlin really hard ? this my first compact car
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Re: amc gremlin/hornet tips
« Reply #73 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:27am »
74 & newer is the magic number. If you get the humps chained really good, the older ones will hold for a while, though.
And the better your leaf pack, the better your odds.
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« Reply #74 on Dec 19, 2011, 11:51pm »
C4 is there a way you can get a pic of how you chain your humps on here?
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« Reply #75 on Dec 20, 2011, 10:26am »
I might be able to get one today I didn't chain them on this one til after most of the damage was done, but it's done right.
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« Reply #76 on Dec 20, 2011, 6:09pm »
sounds awesome thanks
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« Reply #77 on Dec 20, 2011, 7:03pm »
didn't get home til after dark. Try again tomorrow.
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« Reply #78 on Dec 20, 2011, 7:12pm »
no worries im building for a show august first... plenty of time haha
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« Reply #79 on Dec 21, 2011, 12:30pm »
Like I said, the damage qwas pretty much done before I chained these. I pulled the car back down to do it, so it could hang together for another run.
Right through the hole where the shock used to be, and punch a hole right through the wheel well above the frame rail. You can see where there is a factory reinforced plate where the shocks were.
If you don't have access to a tractor bucket, or something to push the back of the car down, it will take a series of long bolts to get it sucked down.
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« Reply #80 on Dec 21, 2011, 12:33pm »
And maximize your leaf pack rules.
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« Reply #81 on Dec 21, 2011, 7:20pm »
did you take the shocks out?
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« Reply #82 on Dec 21, 2011, 7:21pm »
and that makes you stronger ? or just a more solid back end?
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« Reply #83 on Dec 21, 2011, 9:13pm »
With the chains in place, the shocks are kind of a moot point.
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« Reply #84 on Dec 29, 2011, 6:49pm »
Dec 1, 2011, 7:00pm, lilbutchusmc wrote:
Nov 29, 2011, 10:48pm, Fear27 wrote:
Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
Measure the main leaf and tell me how long it is. Then I'll measure the stock leafs I got on the two gremlins I got.
pretty sure when my buddy measured it the shackle holes were around 48in apart measuring around the length not a strait line..
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« Reply #85 on Jan 5, 2012, 11:03pm »
Can i make it a tank?
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« Reply #86 on Jan 6, 2012, 4:57am »
Jan 5, 2012, 11:03pm, benny1053 wrote:
Can i make it a tank?
most definely lol
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« Reply #87 on Jan 7, 2012, 2:11pm »
Anyone ever put a frame underneath one of these?
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« Reply #88 on Jan 8, 2012, 10:24pm »
I need some help. i got a 75 gremlin out of a junk yard with all the wires cut from the car and need to know if anyone has any wiring diagrams or a way to wire it. stock motor and everything.
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« Reply #89 on Jan 8, 2012, 11:35pm »
If it is a 6 cylinder or V8, it will wire up like a Ford, as they used Ford ignition systems. See the 2.3 Diagram in the thread locator at the top of the compact page. If it is the Audi 2.0 four banger.....don't know what to tell ya.
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« Reply #90 on Jan 9, 2012, 9:20pm »
its an in line 6 cylinder. they any good or should i drop a different motor in it? got keep it fairly stock for our rules
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« Reply #91 on Jan 9, 2012, 9:53pm »
Most on here disagree. Personally, I love the 258's. Not a fan of the 232.
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« Reply #92 on Jan 10, 2012, 10:01pm »
What is flat stacking the leafs? Can i take the leafs out and just use solid steal?
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« Reply #93 on Jan 10, 2012, 10:26pm »
1. A flat stack has every other leaf in the pack flipped upside down.
2. Check your rules.....most places would say no.
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« Reply #94 on Jan 11, 2012, 11:32am »
I have no rules lol Im trying to put everything i read on here in one car.... I am even joining the sub frame to the rear on the inside to keep from interfering with drivetrain.....I have 8 months.. lol
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« Reply #95 on Jan 11, 2012, 11:49am »
^^^Pure outlaw?
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« Reply #96 on Jan 11, 2012, 2:55pm »
Not pure but ... barely looked at... haha
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« Thread Started on Aug 17, 2011, 2:41pm »
does any one have tips on what to do to gremlins
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« Reply #1 on Aug 17, 2011, 2:56pm »
3 biggest things I've learned with mine...
Replace the rag joint with a u-joint....they will bend right behing the steering gear & rip that rag right right out. I don't know when or if they switched to rack & pinion. U-joint off an Astro van column has the right splines to mate to the Gremlin box.
Chain the humps. There is a fairly stiff plate under the floor right above the rear axles that works well for it.
If you can do it....weld the lower core support to the frame, or it will rip out.
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« Reply #2 on Aug 17, 2011, 7:09pm »
Replace ball joints and rearends. 70-73 have junk bumpers 74-76 are the years to get, AMC made them in 77-78 but they're smaller.
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« Reply #3 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:10am »
mines a 78 thanks for the tips and should i run i vary strong 2.3 i have or a 4.3 i have
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« Reply #4 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:33am »
should i put a rack and pinion on it i have one that is right size or should i leave gear box?
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« Reply #5 on Aug 22, 2011, 11:53am »
The gear box should be fine....just replace the rag joint with a u-joint
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« Reply #6 on Aug 22, 2011, 1:17pm »
ive never built one but a guy has brought the same one two years in a row to our fair and cleaned house....he runs a 4.3 with a 350 trans slip shaft and 9" ford rear end.....a sub frame fwd 4 cyl has little to no chance of beating it....
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« Reply #7 on Aug 22, 2011, 1:24pm »
Ok cool thanks for the help
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« Reply #8 on Aug 22, 2011, 2:41pm »
C4 is right. Definitely replace rag joint. If you're allowed on your 78, I'd see if you're allowed to swap the front bumper shocks out with something bigger. If you notice they are the size of a broom stick in diameter compared to a beer can on the 74-76. Even seen guys take the back straps and shocks off 74-76 GM sedans work real good.
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« Reply #9 on Aug 22, 2011, 8:36pm »
do you build these just like a pacer or?
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« Reply #10 on Aug 22, 2011, 9:19pm »
They are completely different animals, but can be built to contend with them.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 23, 2011, 10:03am »
So the nose r strong on them the back don't look to strong
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« Reply #12 on Aug 23, 2011, 1:29pm »
I have a 74 w a 1 st n 2 nd place on it. The back rolled up and I lost the bumper the first go but welded it back on and the front is bent up now. I will try to put some pics on here. The a arms are the weakest I think.
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« Reply #13 on Aug 23, 2011, 7:28pm »
I don't use anything but the nose with these things. but I don't drive like a genuis either. just aim for tires and your car won't break. With the front suspension welded up you'll be bending/breaking tie rods, A arms, rear ends when you hit people.
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« Reply #14 on Aug 23, 2011, 7:34pm »
Almost forgot. Just finished with building my 75 I'll see if I can take some pics tomorrow before I get it painted.
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« Reply #15 on Aug 24, 2011, 8:00am »
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« Reply #16 on Aug 25, 2011, 7:26pm »
Well I gotta wait now on the pics because there's a category 3 hurricane heading right for us
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« Reply #17 on Aug 25, 2011, 10:48pm »
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« Reply #18 on Sept 2, 2011, 4:01pm »
The tie rods look weak is there any thing u can do to them or just leave them ( they stronger then they look?)
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« Reply #19 on Sept 2, 2011, 8:31pm »
There is a guy on here that sells one piece tie rods. Where I run you gotta leave them stock.
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« Reply #20 on Sept 2, 2011, 11:11pm »
i used the front only and kinda bent my frame...probably just put it on the frame rack...Does anyone know if any other cars have a leaf spring set that will fit a gremlin??I.E. pintos? monarch size fords???mavericks?
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« Reply #21 on Sept 11, 2011, 8:21pm »
whats different from a gremlin and an eagle? picked up an eagle today and dont know what to do with it
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« Reply #22 on Sept 12, 2011, 7:19pm »
What kind of eagle
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« Reply #23 on Sept 12, 2011, 7:35pm »
a 4 wheel drive one. if i remember right an 80
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« Reply #24 on Sept 12, 2011, 8:26pm »
Yeah, they were all 4x4 with no structural differences. I think he was asking what body style. The SX4 hatch is much like a Spirit, the Kammback is much like a Gremlin or Kammback Spirit. Wagons & sedans (2 and 4 door) are much like newer Hornets or Concords. If it's a wagon or sedan, check your wheelbase. They are109 & change. Hatch back & Kammback are 97ish.
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« Reply #25 on Sept 13, 2011, 4:47pm »
ita a hatchback looking thing lol so i should build it like a spirit?
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« Reply #26 on Sept 13, 2011, 5:28pm »
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« Reply #27 on Sept 14, 2011, 12:09pm »
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« Reply #28 on Sept 16, 2011, 8:56am »
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« Reply #29 on Sept 16, 2011, 10:34am »
Ran a 80's cutlass bumper on the front... Junk. Either sticking a 80's Lincoln or 77 cutlass bumper on it next
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« Reply #30 on Sept 18, 2011, 10:21am »
so does anyone know if a pinto leaf pack will fix under a gremlin? or any other sets? like mavericks or Granada's? haven't got a response to That yet
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« Reply #31 on Sept 18, 2011, 6:49pm »
never swapped leafs but have used a 8in out of a maverick. goes right in just like the stock one. dont know if that'll help you or not
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« Reply #32 on Sept 25, 2011, 9:48am »
should i do anything with ball joints?
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« Reply #33 on Sept 26, 2011, 4:37pm »
i swap mine out with moog ball joints. kinda high priced for all 4 but better safe then sorry.
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« Reply #34 on Sept 27, 2011, 7:37am »
is this part number you use 719-K3082
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« Reply #35 on Sept 27, 2011, 2:11pm »
i cant remember. i called advanced auto, told them the year of my gremlin and they got me the ball joints. had to pay ahead though before they put my order in cause they didnt have them in stock
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« Reply #36 on Sept 27, 2011, 10:05pm »
i run 8in in all my cars...i haven't tried the leaf swap yet because of how much of a pain it is when you Don't have impact tools. it'll probly get done next year the day before some derby...
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« Reply #37 on Oct 1, 2011, 3:28pm »
78 Gremlin. been sitting since 1990
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« Reply #38 on Oct 1, 2011, 5:27pm »
WHAT A ARMS ARE BETTER GREMLIN OR PACER
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« Reply #39 on Oct 1, 2011, 5:46pm »
I've only ran gremlins so I couldn't tell you. Never had a problem with the stock onesbut ask C4 he's full of knowledge.
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« Reply #40 on Oct 1, 2011, 8:48pm »
Pacer arms are quite a bit stiffer
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« Reply #41 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:01pm »
Oct 1, 2011, 8:48pm, C4 wrote:
Pacer arms are quite a bit stiffer
You got a pacer A arm you can snap a pic of? Kind of curious on what the difference is between the two.
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« Reply #42 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:12pm »
I have a complete wheel-to-wheel sub sitting on the ground. I'll snap a pic tomorrow if I remember. That sub has abou 7-8 heats on it.One of the arms bent moderately....was able to put it in a press & bend it right back into shape & it stayed that way.
Gremlins and Eagles use the same a-arms They don't do to bad on Gremlins, but they are placed differently on Eagles because of the 4x4 spindle & front axles. Can't keep a stock a-arm in a Eagle for more than a heat or 2
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« Reply #43 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:16pm »
I don't know alot about anything, but I do know a little about alot of things ;D
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Oct 1, 2011, 9:12pm, C4 wrote:
I have a complete wheel-to-wheel sub sitting on the ground. I'll snap a pic tomorrow if I remember. That sub has abou 7-8 heats on it.One of the arms bent moderately....was able to put it in a press & bend it right back into shape & it stayed that way.
Gremlins and Eagles use the same a-arms They don't do to bad on Gremlins, but they are placed differently on Eagles because of the 4x4 spindle & front axles. Can't keep a stock a-arm in a Eagle for more than a heat or 2
Sweet appreciate it brother. Been drinking most of the afternoon cause my college team got whooped, and I bought another Gremlin today so all I'm doing is kicking knowledge and boozing.
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« Reply #45 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:23pm »
ok are they doin anything to fix them so they r stronger like bolting them together in speical spots or run stiff suspsion or soft suspion
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« Reply #46 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:32pm »
On top of swapping ball joints, welding A arms for bumper height, I've put a 5/8 in hole thru both upper n lower A arm, put all thread thru n tightened the he'll out of it. Kind of a fail safe for A arm welds plus it gave her a redneck alignment
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« Reply #47 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:35pm »
we've been running soft suspension, even completely eliminating shocks when they break......replacing ball joints with bolts......find wheels with a negative offset so it will still roll with bent arms and repair bent arms as needed
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« Reply #48 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:43pm »
Bought moog balljoints. Haven't broke one yet, knock on wood... But if I do I'll prob do the bolt replace method
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« Reply #49 on Oct 1, 2011, 9:50pm »
I'm the zero budget derby guy. Moog is out of my grasp....I only get to look...no touchy ;D
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« Reply #50 on Oct 1, 2011, 10:02pm »
Oct 1, 2011, 9:50pm, C4 wrote:
I'm the zero budget derby guy. Moog is out of my grasp....I only get to look...no touchy ;D
After buying all 4 brand new moog ball joints.... Never again. Retarded expensive.
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« Reply #51 on Oct 2, 2011, 1:32pm »
These are of a stock Pacer a-arm. I believe it would take some mods to make it fit in a Gremlin.
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« Reply #52 on Oct 2, 2011, 7:52pm »
Just picked up an 84 eagle wagon, should i follow these tips or are the completely different? I plan on putting my 2.3 in it. Will the rear ends hold up in these?
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« Reply #53 on Oct 3, 2011, 5:44pm »
AMC rearends = JaaaaYunk
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« Reply #54 on Oct 4, 2011, 8:04am »
how do u replace the ball jhoints with bolts any pics thanks
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« Reply #55 on Oct 4, 2011, 9:35am »
Not much to it. Separate ball joint from spindle. Find largest diamater bolt that will fit through spindle hole. Torch matching hole through ball joint. Weld a washer on top (or bottom if it needs to be hidden) of remaining ball joint mount to stiffen it up. Insert bolt. Leave it just loose enough to not loose your range of motion. Install double nut, or lock nut to keep it from falling out.
Much cheaper than new ball joints, same amount of time, and in most cases, more effective.
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« Reply #56 on Oct 13, 2011, 7:39am »
I am running a stock show, only allow a few mods, anything I can do to make the front of my 1974 gremlin take the pounding from the little fwd cars of today? Also are the fronts strong to use on these? Im told the back of the 74 gremlin is really strong and will hold up but i dont know anything about the fronts and dont want to waste this car
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« Reply #57 on Oct 13, 2011, 9:04am »
For stock rules, the '74 bumper should be decent. If you can, collapse and either weld or bolt the bumper shocks. Use as many hood bolts a you can. And replace the steering rag joint with a u-joint. There's your minimums.
And just like your fwd competitors, try to protect your wheels. Same with your rear wheels. If you are using the stock rear, the axles are not real great. If you are using the straight 6, ditch the fan for a low profile electric.
The '74 has a stiffer rear than the 73 & older, but if you don't chain the humps, you'll be disappointed.
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« Reply #58 on Oct 14, 2011, 8:49am »
what u mean by chaining humps. like chain the axle?
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« Reply #59 on Oct 14, 2011, 9:39am »
Yes. Chains around rear axle and around frame, connecting the 2...nice & tight.
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« Reply #60 on Oct 14, 2011, 5:27pm »
Can you reshackle the leafs instead of the 2 crappy stock bands?
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« Reply #61 on Oct 15, 2011, 12:42pm »
is it ok do go around the cross member looking thing above axle or should i go around the frame
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« Reply #62 on Oct 16, 2011, 11:51am »
^^^^^You're talking about the plate that is mounted to the underside of the "trunk" floor? I like to take out the shocks, run the chain right through where the shock was (right thru that plate), then over the frame rail, punch a hole right through the wheel well, & loop it around the axle housing, squash the back of the car down a couple inches and bolt it. Separate chains for left and right.
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« Reply #63 on Oct 16, 2011, 6:01pm »
Oct 2, 2011, 1:32pm, C4 wrote:
These are of a stock Pacer a-arm. I believe it would take some mods to make it fit in a Gremlin.
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these look like they might fit a pinto or mustang 2 would they?
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« Reply #64 on Oct 16, 2011, 7:14pm »
I don't know, and I don't have a Pinto or Stang 2 to compare it to.
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« Reply #65 on Oct 17, 2011, 10:35am »
Ok thanks for the tip
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« Reply #66 on Nov 8, 2011, 1:31pm »
Local scrap yard has a 76 hornet. The body is rusty but the front bumper is solid. Are these bumpers any good and worth pulling?
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« Reply #67 on Nov 8, 2011, 5:49pm »
^^^Decent if you have to stick with compact bumpers, or for stock builds.
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« Reply #68 on Nov 29, 2011, 7:21pm »
Where should i plate on these? Im running a hornet sportabout. I have plenty of metal and I was also wondering if i should have kickers somewhere or if id just be fine doing the other things on this thread.
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« Reply #69 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:45pm »
Ok....so when you chain your humps do some of y'all just take the shocks out? Also is a newer gremlin and a spirit the same suspension wise?
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« Reply #70 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:48pm »
Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
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« Reply #71 on Dec 1, 2011, 7:00pm »
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Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
Measure the main leaf and tell me how long it is. Then I'll measure the stock leafs I got on the two gremlins I got.
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« Reply #72 on Dec 10, 2011, 6:37pm »
is there any way i can make the back of a 73 germlin really hard ? this my first compact car
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« Reply #73 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:27am »
74 & newer is the magic number. If you get the humps chained really good, the older ones will hold for a while, though.
And the better your leaf pack, the better your odds.
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« Reply #74 on Dec 19, 2011, 11:51pm »
C4 is there a way you can get a pic of how you chain your humps on here?
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« Reply #75 on Dec 20, 2011, 10:26am »
I might be able to get one today I didn't chain them on this one til after most of the damage was done, but it's done right.
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« Reply #76 on Dec 20, 2011, 6:09pm »
sounds awesome thanks
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« Reply #77 on Dec 20, 2011, 7:03pm »
didn't get home til after dark. Try again tomorrow.
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« Reply #78 on Dec 20, 2011, 7:12pm »
no worries im building for a show august first... plenty of time haha
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« Reply #79 on Dec 21, 2011, 12:30pm »
Like I said, the damage qwas pretty much done before I chained these. I pulled the car back down to do it, so it could hang together for another run.
Right through the hole where the shock used to be, and punch a hole right through the wheel well above the frame rail. You can see where there is a factory reinforced plate where the shocks were.
If you don't have access to a tractor bucket, or something to push the back of the car down, it will take a series of long bolts to get it sucked down.
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« Reply #80 on Dec 21, 2011, 12:33pm »
And maximize your leaf pack rules.
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« Reply #81 on Dec 21, 2011, 7:20pm »
did you take the shocks out?
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« Reply #82 on Dec 21, 2011, 7:21pm »
and that makes you stronger ? or just a more solid back end?
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« Reply #83 on Dec 21, 2011, 9:13pm »
With the chains in place, the shocks are kind of a moot point.
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« Reply #84 on Dec 29, 2011, 6:49pm »
Dec 1, 2011, 7:00pm, lilbutchusmc wrote:
Nov 29, 2011, 10:48pm, Fear27 wrote:
Nobody knows if a pinto leaf pack will bolt under a gremlin do they? (:
Measure the main leaf and tell me how long it is. Then I'll measure the stock leafs I got on the two gremlins I got.
pretty sure when my buddy measured it the shackle holes were around 48in apart measuring around the length not a strait line..
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« Reply #85 on Jan 5, 2012, 11:03pm »
Can i make it a tank?
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« Reply #86 on Jan 6, 2012, 4:57am »
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Can i make it a tank?
most definely lol
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« Reply #87 on Jan 7, 2012, 2:11pm »
Anyone ever put a frame underneath one of these?
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« Reply #88 on Jan 8, 2012, 10:24pm »
I need some help. i got a 75 gremlin out of a junk yard with all the wires cut from the car and need to know if anyone has any wiring diagrams or a way to wire it. stock motor and everything.
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« Reply #89 on Jan 8, 2012, 11:35pm »
If it is a 6 cylinder or V8, it will wire up like a Ford, as they used Ford ignition systems. See the 2.3 Diagram in the thread locator at the top of the compact page. If it is the Audi 2.0 four banger.....don't know what to tell ya.
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« Reply #90 on Jan 9, 2012, 9:20pm »
its an in line 6 cylinder. they any good or should i drop a different motor in it? got keep it fairly stock for our rules
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« Reply #91 on Jan 9, 2012, 9:53pm »
Most on here disagree. Personally, I love the 258's. Not a fan of the 232.
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« Reply #92 on Jan 10, 2012, 10:01pm »
What is flat stacking the leafs? Can i take the leafs out and just use solid steal?
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« Reply #93 on Jan 10, 2012, 10:26pm »
1. A flat stack has every other leaf in the pack flipped upside down.
2. Check your rules.....most places would say no.
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« Reply #94 on Jan 11, 2012, 11:32am »
I have no rules lol Im trying to put everything i read on here in one car.... I am even joining the sub frame to the rear on the inside to keep from interfering with drivetrain.....I have 8 months.. lol
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« Reply #95 on Jan 11, 2012, 11:49am »
^^^Pure outlaw?
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Not pure but ... barely looked at... haha