Lawrence County, IL. May 5th & 6th Team Derby

[cfm421]

Any more word yet on team captains that agreed to option 2? I know we are in just checking to see if everyone agreed.

[3csandman]

I have heard from all but 2 teams.

[cfm421]

So its a go then?

[3csandman]

THE TEAM SHOW IS A GO! I WILL BE SENDIND OUT A CONFIRMATION PACKET THIS WEEK TO ALL THE CAPATAINS. THIS WILL INCLUDE A COPY OF THE RULES FOR 2012. MAKE SURE YOU READ THEM. THE CHANGES WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED.

REMEMBER I WILL ACCEPT ENTRIES UP UNTIL THE DERBY. IT WILL COST $500 TO ENTER. IF COME MAY 5TH WE HAVE 16 TEAMS, THE ORIGINAL PURSE WILL BE PAID. TEAM NUMBERS MUST BE EVEN.

THE FIRST 12 TEAMS LISTED ARE LOCKED IN. THE 13TH TEAM IS NOW A RESERVE ENCASE SOMEONE DROPS OUT OR DOESNT PASS INSPECTION. THEY WILL ALSO BE LOCKED IN IF ANOTHER TEAM ENTERS TO MAKE IT AN EVEN 14 TEAMS.

[badcompany16]

who is the 13th team? ive never seen it posted

[cfm421]

I thought the rules were the ones posted on the first page of this thread??? Did I miss something cuz that's what my car is built to. I don't know about anybody else, but I hope they're ain't too big of changes or I'll have to find a different car. heck, mines darn near done!!!

[derbygirl]

well i guess if he did not wait to send out the rules then the cars would not had to go with the old ones

[3csandman]

The rules for this show and all my shows were posted on the first page of this thread when it was on the old wecrash site. When Ducky moved it over to this thread he left them off. So don't start the smack talk now. Everybody has seen the rules and if anyone had any questions they should have called.

[3csandman]

Demolition Derby Rules 2012

Rules and Regulations
The following rules and/or regulations set forth herein are designed to provide for the orderly conduct of Demolition Derby and to establish minimum acceptable requirements for such events. These rules shall govern the condition of all events, and by participating in these events, all participants are deemed to have complied with these rules. No express or implied warranty of safety shall result from publications of or compliance with these rules and/or regulations. They are intended as a guide for the conduct of the sport and are in no way a guarantee against injury or death to participant, spectator or official. The officials shall be empowered to permit minor deviation from any of the specifications herein or impose any further restrictions that in their opinion do not alter the safety factor. Any interpretation or deviation of these rules is left to the discretion of the Officials, and their decision is final. The Officials reserve the right to approve and/or reject all entries. No alcohol on the grounds. All coolers will be checked.

LAWRENCE COUNTY JR. FAIR HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE ANY ENTRY AND SPECTATOR ADMITTANCE.

These entry fees are for the regular shows. The special shows will be posted separate. Same rules apply to all shows.

2012 ENTRY FEES: DRIVER $35.00
PASSENGER $25.00
PIT PASSES $20.00

1. All cars should be signed in one hour before race time and inspected ½ hour before race time. Late fees will apply. Late fee for driver $50 and passenger $40
2. Minimum age for driver or passenger is 16 and must provide proof of age at the request of Official
3. All drivers must wear approved helmets, eye protection, long pants, and shirt.
4. No reinforcements allowed other than what is specified below.
5. All cars will be lifted by the track officials during inspection. You will be allowed 2 attempts to pass inspection. Any attempt after the 2nd will result in an additional entry fee.
6. No hitting in drivers door or passenger door if a passenger is riding. Door cannot be used as a shield. If the hit is deemed by the officials to be careless or intentional, you will be disqualified. If you use your door as a defense, we will not enforce this rule. This will be at the official’s discretion.
7. A driver that receives a black flag for an intentional door hit will be disqualified from that heat.
8. A driver that receives a black flag for sandbagging or two fires will be disqualified. If this happens in a heat race, the driver will be allowed to enter the consolation.
9. A driver that receives two black flags for sandbagging or door hits will be disqualified for the rest of the event.
10. Drivers may enter more than one heat but must have different cars for each heat. Drivers with two cars must actively compete in both races before being allowed to choose which car he will run in the feature. Failure to actively complete will result in the officials deciding which car will be run.
11. The driver qualifies for the feature. If his car cannot compete he can switch cars with another driver as long as that car has been entered and ran in a heat.
12. All drivers MUST attend driver’s meeting prior to derby.
13. NO hot-rodding in the pits. Keep it at an idle.
14. Any open door or second fire will result in disqualification.
15. If you think someone is sandbagging, hit them. Make them drive. The drivers are the easiest way to stop sandbagging.
16. If driver is found to be sandbagging, the derby will be red flagged and the car will be marked with an x. After action resumes if anyone takes out the x’ed car he will be awarded an automatic bid in the feature. Can’t be a group effort. If a car is x’ed in the feature and taken out, the driver that takes him out, will be awarded $50 at the end of the feature. X’s do not carry over from heat races.
17. You will be given ample time for restarts. Hitters will get more time than sandbaggers.
18. Cars are subject to re-inspection before prize money is handed out. Cars found to be illegal will forfeit prize money.
19. Any questions or controversies will be discussed at the drivers meeting.
20. Protest of cars- Anyone car being run can be protested by any driver driving that night. The drivers protest must be made to the superintendent before the 1st heat begins. Everyone is human, and if we missed something let us know. I know as well as you do that the drivers know who is legal and who isn’t. So if we missed something, let us know. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and live with what happens.
21. All persons MUST sign an entry form, insurance waiver, release form, pay entries, and purchase pit passes before entering the pit area.
22. There is no alcohol allowed on the fair grounds. This includes the pit crews. If you or any of your crew is caught with alcohol, you will be disqualified.
23. No harassing of the judges will be allowed at any time by drivers, passengers, crew members or spectators. Failure to abide by this rule will result in the disqualification of the driver and all monies paid and/or won.
24. All cars must be removed from derby site by 12:00 noon the following day unless otherwise stated at driver’s meeting. Failure to do this will result in cars being removed by and becoming property of local salvage operator.
25. In the feature, when there are 2 cars left, a 5 minute clock will be started. If after 5 minutes a winner is not crowned, the remaining 2 cars will go head on to decide the winner. This rule will only be enforced when deemed necessary by the officials. If the last 2 drivers are doing the best they can, with what they have left, the rule will not be enforced. But, if the last 2 cars are not willing to put on a show and tear up their cars, a red flag will be thrown and they will split the 1st place money. Everyone else will be moved up one spot. The fans paid for a show and you will give them one!
26. This is not a team event. I know all the team driving cannot be stopped, but it can be made to look less obvious. Don’t make me have to make the call. You won’t like the outcome.
27. No holding or pinning of cars.

AUTOMOBILE BODY REGULATIONS- ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Passenger cars or station wagons only. No trucks, jeeps, hearses, limousines, or checkered cabs. No Chrysler Imperials and no Imperial Sub Frames.
2. Station wagons converted to a sedagons are allowed. If roof sheet metal is bolted to the floor pan, officials can cut a hole to inspect for reinforcements under the sheet metal.
3. All glass, side windows, rear windows, headlights and taillights, must be removed before reaching the track. Rolling down windows is not permitted.
4. Rear seat of sedan must be removed, top and bottom. On station wagons all seats and decking must be removed. Station wagons must be emptied to the floorboards.
5. Cars must have a seatbelt and working brakes. MANDATORY
6. Battery may be moved, but must be securely fastened and covered in passenger compartment. Two batteries are allowed.
7. MANDATORY –Front windshield must have a bar or loop of #9 wire from roof to the firewall for safety. 1 bar or 2 loops of #9 wire only.
8. Trailer hitches: Class A or frame mounted must be totally removed. Class B or bumper mounted trailer ball stub must be cut off.



GAS TANKS AND FUEL PUMPS – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Stock gas tank MUST be removed from original position and mounted in the rear seat area and secured. A marine tank or fuel cell is strongly recommended. All lines and fitting must be leak proof and meet approval of the track officials. Electric fuel pumps are allowed, but must have a shut-off switch within reach of the driver. Tanks must be covered before entering the track.
2. All lines must be run inside car, not along the frame underneath. All lines should be double clamped.

RADIATOR AND CORE SUPPORT – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Radiator must be in stock position. Any automotive type radiator can be used. Must be an OEM automotive radiator.
2. No reserve tanks and no added cooling capacity.
3. Core support seams can be welded. These are the only body seams that are allowed to be welded. No exceptions.
4. One electric fan, mounted to the radiator, may be used.
5. Radiator protectors are allowed, but must be in front off or behind radiator.
6. Protectors are to be full floating or bolted to the radiator.
7. Protectors cannot be wider than the cooling surface of the radiator.
8. Protector cannot be thicker than 1/8” and must be made out of a form of expanded metal or screen. No solid metal allowed at all. No angle iron or flat strap.
9. This is a radiator protector, not a core support reinforcement.

BODY – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. No body seams may be welded except for the ones outlined on the core support. No metal may be added. Inner fenders may be welded to frame. Body cannot be welded to frame anywhere else.
2. No doubling of body panels allowed, no added metal allowed. No reinforcing of the firewall. Body sheet metal patching must be Okayed by official. Call first.
3. No adding of metal between inner and outer fender skins. This means no welded in gussets, angle iron or shackle rod.
4. Body creasing, enhancing of existing body lines and addition of body lines is allowed. Do not fold the metal over to create a doubled effect. If this is found. It will be torch cut. If there is any place where metal is formed into layers. It will be torch cut. No man made seams can be welded.
5. Body mounts may be replaced with up to and no larger than 1 inch bolts or all thread with washers or plates no bigger than 4 inches in diameter and no thicker than 1/4 inch. These plate washers cannot be welded down. No overlapping of washers or plates.
6. Body spacers at the core support cannot be larger than 2” round or 3” x 3” square tubing. Cannot be welded in.
7. Only two added body mounts allowed.
8. Fenders may be bolted together with a maximum of 10 - 3/8 inch bolts or smaller with 3/8 inch or smaller washers.
9. Doors may be welded, chained or wired. If doors are welded, they cannot be welded any farther than 3” on each side of the door seam.
10. No body mount bolts or all thread allowed through the humps.
11. 2 rear window bars are allowed. Cannot be attached to cage anywhere. Must go from roof sheet metal to rear speaker deck. Cannot go past trunk lip. Must be attached sheet metal to sheet metal. Must be attached at least 8” off and inside the pillars.
12. Rear window bars must be made out of a max. of or up to 3”x 3” material. No solid stock.
13. Rear window bars must be welded or bolted to sheet metal only and cannot be any longer than 12” on the roof and no more than 4” on trunk lid or trunk sheet metal.


SUSPENSION – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Suspension must be original factory suspension for that car.
2. A arm can be welded solid. A arm can be bolted or welded down. You may weld square stock or pipe between the upper and lower A arms to set suspension height. 1” pipe or 1”x1” square. Not solid square or round stock.
3. A arm cannot be plated or reinforced. Stock A arms only
4. Tie rods may be reinforced
5. Steering gear boxes may be modified. After market steering columns are allowed.
6. Sway bars must be in factory stock position or taken out completely. Cannot be flipped and welded to the frame.

HOODS AND TRUNKS – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Hoods must have two (2) holes, at least four (4) inches in diameter on each side of the carburetor. Not directly on top of the carburetor. If the hood is removed, either the fan or fan belt must be removed.
2. Hood cut outs cannot be welded. Bolted only. Hood seams cannot be welded.
3. Max. of 50 bolts allowed in hood and trunk total between the two. No added metal. 3/8” bolts max. with factory 3/8” washers.
4. Hoods, trunks, and tailgates must be open upon request during inspection. If we cannot see we will cut.
5. Hoods may be secured by all thread outboard the radiator, 2 pieces at firewall, and 1 at each fender well. 1” x 1”x 4” long angle iron may be used in place of the all thread. 3 on each side of the car hood total. If welding all thread to the firewall, all thread cannot be longer than 12”, and no more than 8” can be welded to the firewall. Washers cannot exceed 4 inches in diameter.
6. The all thread outboard the radiator can be sleeved with up to 2 inch tubing or round pipe. These 2 pieces of all thread are the only ones that can be sleeved.
7. If you use #9 wire to hold down hood, you are allowed Unlimited #9 wire across the front in front of radiator.
8. Don’t wire hood down until after inspection.
9. You may use all thread to secure the trunk lid. All thread must go thru factory body mounts. (4 total) Cannot be sleeved. Washers may be no larger than 4 inches in diameter and cannot be welded down. Unlimited #9 wire can be used here as well.
10. Trunks can be welded solid. If so, a 12”x12” hole must be cut in the center of the lid. It may be spot welded (3” weld-3” open) all the way around. If there are any questions, officials can cut the trunk to see inside.
11. The trunk lid must remain on hinges and be in stock position. No moving forward or backwards of trunk lid
12. The trunk lid may be v’d in the center, but must remain at least 10” off the trunk floor.
13. No adding of metal in trunk lip area to fill the gap.
14. Relocation the rear speaker deck is not allowed. It must remain in stock position. It can be cut out. If cut out, it cannot be placed anywhere else in the car.


SAFTEY CAGES – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. You should have a six point cage. The cage can be welded to the frame in four (4) places. Must go to flat part of frame. You can have up to six (6) down posts, three (3) per side (4 to frame, 2 to sheet metal). You should have a dash bar, a cross bar behind the seat and two (2) door cross bars. The door bars cannot be less than 12 inches off of the floor. Cage cannot extend past the rear doors. Nothing can be ran between the rear wheel humps or welded to the humps. No kickers to the frame humps- front or back. All down post must be straight. (NO ANGLES)

[3csandman]

1. Door bars must stop at dash bar. Nothing in front of dash bar.
2. Dash bar cannot be more than 6 inches in front of front door seam. Dash bar cannot be in front of front door post.
3. Cage can be made out of 3” pipe or 3” square tubing, MAX.
4. All down tubes must be behind the dash bar, straight up and down and on the flat part of the top of the frame. Cannot go to the body mount boxes.
5. Gas tank protectors are allowed as long as they don’t go past the rear door seam. Cannot touch the rear fender well and cannot angle back to the rear deck metal.

HALO BARS OR ROLLOVER BARS – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. You may add a halo bar to the cage components listed above. It may not exceed 5” in diameter.
2. On a 4 door post car, this bar must attach to the seat bar. NO EXCEPTIONS
3. On a 2 door or 4 door non-post car, this bar may be attached to the floor sheet metal.
4. Halo bars must be in a direct vertical line with the seat.
5. Halo bars may not be angled toward the rear of the car.
6. You may bolt the halo bar to the roof sheet metal in 2 places.
7. The halo bar cannot be attached to the front window bar or rear window bar.

PITCHING, TILTING OR TIPPING FORDS

THIS SECTION IS FOR 80”S AND NEWER ONLY
1. You can cut the flaps on the front side of the frame to pitch the frame. No metal or gussets can be added.
2. Nothing is to be welded on the side of the spring bucket behind the ball joint.
3. You may have a 5” long piece of angle iron welded to the frame to set the cross member on if you like.
4. When re-welding the flaps you cut to pitch the car back to the frame, only weld the amount that you cut to get it loose
5. You may “cold” pitch the fords as well.
6. 2003 and newer may pitch their cars under your feet at the transmission cross member under the car. Weld only. No added metal
7. When changing bodies, you must keep 80’s and newer with 80’s and newer. No old iron bodies on 80’s and newer or vice versa.

FRAMES – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

ABSOLUTELY NO CONCRETE IN FRAMES
1. No welding, plating, or reinforcing of the frame unless specified otherwise.
2. Factory top frame seams may be welded from firewall forward only. A single bead or one pass weld is allowed. Anything considered excessive by the officials will be dealt with at the time of inspection.
3. Crush box seams can be welded. Again if they are welded in excess you will have to grind or cut.
4. Crush boxes can have a 4” wide plate that both body bolts can go through. This plate is not to extend more than 2” on either side of the body bolts. If you elect to use separate plates for the body bolts in the crush box, they cannot be bigger than 4”x4” and cannot overlap.
5. All factory frame holes must be left open.
6. Pre-ran cars only will be allowed two (2) 6 inch long Band-Aids. One per frame only. (2 total) Cannot be thicker than factory frame material. No excessive welding. There must be visible sign of damage. Superintendent has the last and final say.
7. Any other reinforcing of frame found will result in disqualification.
8. Sub frame cars cannot be tied together. If you want to run a full frame car, buy a full frame car, don’t build one.
9. No shortening of frames except to mount front bumper.
10. No plating, stuffing, heat treating or foam filling of frames is allowed. Do NOT paint, undercoat, oil or grease your frames or you will not even be inspected.
11. You may run one (1) wire or chain from frame rail to frame rail underneath back of car behind rear end.
12. You may put a bolt thru frame to hold it together. Only one (1) per wheel opening, must be loose during inspection, (Pinning of frame)
13. You may notch the frame for minimal pre-bending, but do NOT weld the cut.
14. Buick, Olds, or Pontiacs MAY NOT fill the large hole in the frame behind the radiator support.
15. If changing front sub, cut 3 inches behind second cross member bold hole. When replacing, can over lap 11 ½ inches, able to weld both sides, but no adding extra metal. Must be from same make and model.
16. If re-subbing one side of the frame, you are allowed to cut and fit the new frame flush and weld one pass all the way around (butt – fit – weld).
17. Suicide Lincolns will be drilled at inspection. A 3/8” hole will be drilled in each front frame rail to run the scope in for viewing. There has been too much missed by the lack of factory frame holes. The hole will just be big enough to insert the frame scope.
18. Rear frame rails may not be shortened.
19. You may run a chain or cable or #9 wire from rear rail behind the rear humps. 3/8” chain maximum.
20. You may chain or wire your axle to the frame hump. You may not use strapping of any kind for this. 3/8” chain maximum.

HUMP PLATES AND LEAF CONVERSIONS – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Hump plates may be used on any year or model. If your car came out factory leafed, you are allowed to hump plate it. You must leave the factory leaf package alone. No added clamps, leafs, taping, welding, flipping, or restacking. Must remain stock. Must be welded on the outside of the rear humps. Plates can be 3/8” thick max and 22” long. NO EXCEPTIONS. They will be measured. Don’t try me, because if they are longer than 22” you won’t be allowed to cut. You will load up and go home.
2. Plate must follow the contour of the frame, must be in the center of the rear hump, and cannot bridge across the hump on top or bottom.
3. 80”s and newer can either hump plate or leaf. NOT BOTH!
4. This is the last year for leaf conversations. Leaf conversions will not be allowed in 2013. It will be hump plates only.

BUMPERS – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Any OEM shock canister may be bolted or welded to any car. Amounts of bolts or welds may not exceed typical stock installation. Homemade bumper brackets are permitted, no gussets or bracing. Not to extend behind OEM mounting bolt location on frame. May use 2 ½ inch max. Round or square tubing. No thicker than ¼ inch. No solid stock may be used. Any OEM stock automobile bumper may be bolted or welded to the shock canister or bumper brackets. You may weld outer chrome or bumper to inner skin of bumper. You may use two (2) pieces of light chain per shock. Fenders and bumper ends may be trimmed to allow for wheel clearance. Must have inspection holes to see inside bumper.
2. For you guys that are cutting the frame down to mount your bumper, you are allowed 6” of mounting bracket or shock tube welded or bolted to the frame, no more on the frame than that.
3. So to make it easy for you, you cannot extend past the rear factory bolt location or no more than 6” back, whichever is the longest. If you don’t have a factory rear bolt, then guess what, its 6”.
4. This rule also applies to putting your tubes inside the frame. You are allowed 6” only inside the frame regardless if you cut the frame or not.
5. 03’s and newer, when cutting down the frame to mount the bumper, you are allowed 6” of mounting bracket past the rear of the radiator support to mount the bumper. This is either inside the frame or on the outside of the frame, not both.
6. May have a ¼” thick X 2” wide strap from bumper to frame or bumper to body, two on front and two on rear. Closest place on frame to bumper. Only a 2” x 2” area on each end of strap may be welded to bumper and frame or body.
7. Loaded bumper rule: You can load a factory automotive bumper. A factory chrome skin must be wrapped around the loaded bumper. This means factory chrome skin must be on the outside and the bumper must appear to be a factory bumper. You can weld up bumper holes and skin seams. All added reinforcement must be on the inside of the bumper with the exception of a 1/4 inch thick plate across the back where it mounts to the car. No jagged edges. No concrete. All materials used to load a bumper must be on the inside of the bumper. The outside chrome skin must be factory. Cannot be solid.
8. DEC Bumpers are allowed.
9. When building a bumper, the bumper cannot exceed factory height, width or length by more than 1”.
10. Remember that only 1 chrome bumper skin can be used and it must appear to be a factory bumper in looks. Chrome skin MUST remain in factory form.
11. Bumper must look like a factory bumper in appearance. Remember there are no added braces or gussets when mounting these bumpers, so don’t make them too heavy.
12. There must be one open hole for officials to check for concrete.
13. Bumpers can be loaded with metal only. No solid bumpers and no concrete. NO EXCEPTIONS.

ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Any engine or transmission may be used in any car, but must be mounted within 5” of the original motor.
2. Chained, welded, or homemade motor mounts will be permitted, but must meet approval of officials.
3. Any type of header is allowed, but must be directed away from driver compartment.
4. Transmission oil coolers and engine oil coolers are permitted. Must be secure and contained and covered inside the car, for the driver’s protection.
5. Skid plates are allowed. Must be separate oil/transmission plates. No full-length skid plates. No bolting or welding to frame.
6. Distributor protectors are allowed, but must be attached to engine or transmission mounting bolts. Backside must be no wider than 12”. CAN NOT CONTACT CAGE AT ANY TIME. If you run a distributor protector do not mount your dash bar closer than 5” from the middle of the dash. It may not be welded, bolted or connected to the body, hood or frame. Forward supports must be inside normally positioned headers and not extend past the water pump.
7. Factory aluminum engine cradles in 2003 and newer cars may be changed. Must be same make. Chevy to Chevy . . . . . ford to ford. No homemade cradles.
8. Can only be welded in by a single pass and only welded where it was cut. No gussets or added metal.

REAR END – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

1. Any automobile rear end can be used in any car. Pre-1980 cars this rule does not mean you can transform a coil spring to leaf spring or vice versa. On models originally equipped with leaf springs, stock leaf springs and hangers MUST be used. Leaf packs on all cars may have no more than 8 leaves per pack MUST be OEM stock. Homemade spring perches or homemade trailing arm brackets may be welded to rear end. Rear end spider gears may be welded solid. You may tilt rear end by shortening or lengthening rear end control arms.

[3csandman]

1. Any drive shaft or U joint may be used. Welding of drive shaft is permitted.
2. No extra metal added. Any bracket that shows reinforcement to the frame will not be allowed.
3. You my tilt the rear end by lengthening or shortening the trailing arms. Trailing arms may be reinforced.
4. Rear end braces are allowed, but they cannot be used for any other purpose than to strengthen the rear end. No additional attachments may be used. Officials’ decision is final.
5. You may have five (5) spring clamps per spring. You pick if you want them in front of or behind axle, or split them between the front and back.

TIRES – ALL JUDGES DECISIONS ARE FINAL

6. Only sixteen (16) inch or smaller tires and wheels will be allowed. No split rims allowed.
7. Valve stem protectors, liquid in tires permitted or screws in rims to hold tires in place permitted.
8. Wheel weights must be removed
9. Double stuffed tires are permitted.



Here you go. These are the same rules that have been posted since the first of the year on the old wecrash site. Any questions call.

[cfm421]

I wasn't trying to start anything or talking smack there chief. Just making sure I didn't miss a rules change that I used to build my car. Just fyi though bud, I'd take that link to the Lawrence county fair off of the front page of this thread. It takes you to rules from 2010 and they're not the same as what you just posted. Though you might like to know that.

[wlr69]

been building all winter for this one cant wait

[ducky29]

sorry about that if i wouldve knew the link went to old rules i wouldve posted the new rules on here

[3csandman]

Mar 6, 2012 16:05:41 GMT -5 cfm421 said:

I wasn't trying to start anything or talking smack there chief. Just making sure I didn't miss a rules change that I used to build my car. Just fyi though bud, I'd take that link to the Lawrence county fair off of the front page of this thread. It takes you to rules from 2010 and they're not the same as what you just posted. Though you might like to know that.

I would love to take the rules of the fair website, but it has locked us out. I tried to get the board to close the site at the meeting on monday. They are working on a new page. Sorry for the confusion.