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Post by Mobley 0x on Apr 10, 2012 21:57:53 GMT -5
I will let you know on that rear I am still a ways out on getting one I am working on my engine now. Well it is at the machine shop. A small block mopar is going to hurt my wallet lol. But man is it gonna be worth it haha Tom |
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 11, 2012 8:14:08 GMT -5
Hello. Well, I ordered 6 sets of axle shafts from Moser. I ordered them in 40 spline. I should have them in about a week. David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 11, 2012 9:00:31 GMT -5
Hello. Again, I will post what I know and give honest answers. IF I do not know, I will write that I do not know. It seems what I have known for years, people are just learning about.
That is what this thread is for, information.
Set the information free. David Bryan
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Post by pourdown437 on Apr 11, 2012 9:36:10 GMT -5
Im throwing in the towell....i give up 😭
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Post by 5150x on Apr 11, 2012 9:40:44 GMT -5
Pourdwn- I wasnt exactly wrong for jumping ur a**, u came in this thread cussing and running ur mouth. Really not needed in any thread, perhaps word things a little better. if infact u r correct abt the whole deal, great, and we all will thank u for some highly important info. U know urself how good threads get thrashed w bashing language and rude comments, this is one thread that can be very useful, just dont wanna see it get covered in non sense.
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 11, 2012 9:41:07 GMT -5
DING,DING.. WE HAVE A WINNER.... DAVID BRYAN COMES OUT AHEAD..AGAIN.......... AS USUAL, PEOPLE "INFO" GETS RECONFIGURED TO HELP THEIR OWN EGO OUT. PRTTY SOON, IF PEOPLE HAD THEIR WAY, THERE WOULD BE A 60 SPLINE REAR END WITH 20 LUGS............ IN THEIR MIND........................ I DO HAVE A QUESTION, ANY BENEFIT TO UTILIZING A DUAL BOLT PATTERN AXLE AND USING BOTH BOLT PATTERNS IN THE FLANGE WITH A WHEEL CENTER DRILLED FOR BOTH PATTERNS, OR IS IT A BETTER IDEA TO USE JUST A SINGLE 5 BOLT PATTER FLANGE TO HAVE MORE STRENGTH IN THE FLANGE ITSELF. SAW IT ON A CAR RECENTLY, AND WONDERED HOW IT GOT BY INSPECTION OF "5 BOLT WHEELS ONLY" ALSO, DAVID, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW, THAT THERE ARE 2 DIFFERING ANGLES ON THE "COINING" OF THE MATERIAL SURROUNDING LUG HOLES IN WHEELS, RACE AND STREET, AND TO MIX THE LUGS AND WHEELS UP CAN BE AN ISSUE WITH WHEEL RETENTION....... EASY LIKE SUNDAY MORNING..ONLY ITS WEDNESDAY......  |
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Post by pourdown437 on Apr 11, 2012 9:57:25 GMT -5
Call it what u want but if i can swap the 3rd member and axles out of my 35 hobbystock housing and replace them w a 40 spline axle w a hobbystock bearing im calling it a 40 spline hobbystock 😁
Sorry for getting testy when im called a liar when ive had these rearends in my hands
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Post by crusher71 on Apr 11, 2012 20:57:08 GMT -5
Call it what u want but if i can swap the 3rd member and axles out of my 35 hobbystock housing and replace them w a 40 spline axle w a hobbystock bearing im calling it a 40 spline hobbystock 😁 Sorry for getting testy when im called a liar when ive had these rearends in my hands THEN, YOU SHOULD POST A PICTURE OF THE HALF INCH THICK FLANGES THAT THESE MYSTERIOUS PARTS HAVE..... PROOF, IS MORE POWERFUL THAN TYPED WORDS AND ANGER ON TOP..... HEY, IM GETTING GOOD AT BEING NICE......  |
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Post by pourdown437 on Apr 11, 2012 21:13:06 GMT -5
Im not putting any pics of anything on the internet....find them for yourself or call you buddy david he talked to man thats building them today or for that matter call roy yourself and send him a check and get your own rearend so you can post all the pics u want if it
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Post by pourdown437 on Apr 11, 2012 22:54:14 GMT -5
Thank you thank you thank you
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 11, 2012 23:37:18 GMT -5
Hello. People.......please. pourdown, throw in the towel already. And yes, you are a liar. You were, and still are, wrong. You can call it what you want, only do it on your OWN thread. This is not that complicated........really, I promise.
Facts: Moser makes and sells axle shafts.
Moser has NAMES for THEIR products.
Moser makes an axle shaft THEY call a Hobby Stock axle.
(These axle shafts can be any where from a 28 to 40 spline shaft. ALL of these axle shafts are 1.77" at the wheel bearing, AND have a 1/2" thick flange. They will accept three wheel bearings; #9508H, sealed ball, #9455, double row ball, #945M, 45mm Timken taper.)
Moser makes an axle shaft THEY call custom alloy axle.
(These axle shafts can be any where from 26 to 40 spline. ONLY the 40 spline is 1.77" at the wheel bearing. These shafts have, up to, a 7/16" thick flange. NEVER a 1/2" thick flange! The 40 spline will accept ALL THREE wheel bearings listed above.)
Moser now makes and sells a 40 spline Hobby Stock axle shaft.
Moser makes NO housing they call the "Hobby Stock".
Facts.
If you call parts with Moser names, please call them by the correct name. Please do not call other parts, using Moser names. In a way, it would be like calling the Mopar 5.7 engine a "Hemi". No, a 5.7 is a GM engine, so, Mopar must be using a GM engine. No, the 5.7 is a Hemi. GM had the 5.7 (350) engine long before the Mopar. Well... a 5.7 is a 5.7 so, they must be the same engine!!
Now, I simply hope that people will use the correct terminology to describe what they have, and think they have seen. If one chooses to call a housing a "Hobby Stock" housing, fine, do it on your OWN thread. NOT HERE.
Also, what people do with the axle shafts AFTER they buy them from Moser, is up to them. Perhaps a better term would be to call it a "Modified Custom Alloy Axle shaft"?
You can not turn a 40 spline Moser cutom alloy axle shaft in to a Hobby Stock no matter what you add to it after the sale from Moser. I can NEVER call my 1970, Buick Estate Wagon, 30 spline, factory, axle shafts "Hobby Stock". Even though they use the same 45mm Timken bearings that Moser chooses to use today. AND, I can NEVER call my 70' wagon, factory, housing a "Hobby Stock Housing", just because it has deep bore housing ends that Moser chooses to use today.
Terminology, terminology....facts, AND facts, please.
This I know. David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 12, 2012 0:00:57 GMT -5
Hello Jon. This thread is NOT about winners and loosers. This thread is to give information. Correct information. With all the crap that is above on this thread, I assume some have already stopped reading. This thread SHOULD be about answers to questions, as you ask above. NOT correcting some pinhead who wants to call 40 spline Moser custom alloy axle shaft a "Hobby Stock". Perhaps "BIG PETER" would be a better term....for an axle shaft.
Lug nuts; Most factory lug nuts, and the holes in the rims they fit in, are 60 degree taper. Most all "race wheels" and the one inch lug nuts that fit in them are 90 degree taper. Put a race lug nut ( 1", 90 degree taper) in a factory rim, (60 degree taper), and YES they can and will get loose. For my personal use, I always machine my rims to a 90 degree taper when I use the "race" lug nuts.
An easy and cheap way (cheaper than a mill), is to get a 1 1/16" to 1 1/4" drill bit and sharpen it to a 90 degree. Then, with the drill bit in a drill press, use that bit to "modify" the rim holes to a 90 degree taper. It also cleans up all rust and scale. Yes, you can go to far. It does not take much time to do this simple modification. Also, I always double nut the wheel studs, just to be safe. For an exrtra $10.00, it is cheap insurance. AND it helps to keep the threads clean when you descide to chew into that 74' Impala front bumper with your axle shaft. David Bryan
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Post by David Bryan on Apr 12, 2012 0:15:29 GMT -5
Hello. Jon, another good question. Wheel studs and bolt patterns:
I assume you had seen 1/2" wheel studs, 10 of them on one axle shaft?
My first question would be, does that pass tech? 10 bolt wheel? If fine with tech, why not run a full floater?
In my opinion, the more holes you drill/mill in some piece of steel, (in this case an axle shaft flange) the weaker it becomes. Yes, you are plugging it back with a wheel stud, but is the flange the same strength? I do not think so. I know five, 5/8", wheel studs will hold a GM "SS" rim as it gets turned inside out, so.... why do you need ten wheel studs? Some times more is not better. But then again, if the tech guys do not care, knock your self out.
One inch lug nuts are available for most wheel studs. One inch is by far better to help keep the lug nuts from pulling through the rim on side impact. All of these have the 90 degree taper though. Modify your rims, or at least be sure to double nut the studs. Cheap insurance.
5/8" wheel studs are better, by far, than 7/16" or 1/2" wheel studs. When ordering new after-market axle shafts, for derby, it is always better to up-grade to the 5/8" wheel studs. We always use the FINE thread wheel studs. Fine thread does have more clamping force. You are not in that big of a hurry to use the coarse threads. Just some thoughts. David Bryan
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Post by auctioneerhere on Apr 12, 2012 7:17:44 GMT -5
This is a great thread.
It is nice to see a recognized expert sharing information so people will be able to do it right the first time.
Thanks David!
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Post by Fousek49 on Apr 12, 2012 9:50:09 GMT -5
Moser makes a Hobby Stock axle shaft up to 35 spline. These shafts have a 1/2" thick flange, and are heat treated for circle track or road coarse (this means they flex, a little, before they break). A very good thing in derby and figure 8 racing. Moser makes custom alloy alxe shafts up to 40 spline. These shafts have a 7/16" thick flange, and are heat treated for drag racing and street use. These are harder, not so good in derby. Seems to be a difference to me. Not only the different size axle flange but the way the axles are heat treated. So I don't understand your argument fordshakesthis1. |
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